User talk:Oursana

Empress Anna Ioannovna

Hallo Trzęsacz, danke auch für Deine Bearbeitung. Guck mal :) Gruß --Oursana (talk) 11:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

File:Cappella degli Scrovegni - scheme (EN) by shakko.jpg

--Shakko (talk) 21:13, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

A category for a painting

Hi ! Two points : It is hard to find a given file on Commons. I completly agree on this. It is notoriously hard to find pictures that corresponds to two or more criterias (paintings + women + 17th-century), thus the creation of cross categories such as "17th-century paintings of women". Even when you know what you are looking for, if you don't enter the file name, you might be lost. This being said, I fail to see how removing Category:Nus dans un paysage by Roger de la Fresnaye will make the painting more available. Will people be able to find it from Category:1910 paintings ? I really doubt that. Moreover, removing the categories means maintenance is harder, because each category relevant to the painting must be added on three files (and "soon" more, when we'll have other files associated to the painting), instead of just the category, the day there will be Wikipedia articles / a Wikidata entry about the painting, only one of the files of Commons will be visible instead of all, etc. To conclude : removing the category does not resolve the problem of pictures being hard to find and creates new ones.Léna (talk) 13:37, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

In Category:Paintings of nude sitting females in the 20th century all paintings immediately can be seen and traced back with the exeption of Category:Nus dans un paysage by Roger de la Fresnaye. It is even getting worse, for this single-one-painting cat you created even Category:Paintings by Roger de la Fresnaye in the musée des Beaux-Arts de Nancy‎. These are hideous cats and constructions making the system more complicated then helpful. I am still hopeful perhaps you will realize my point of view.--Oursana (talk) 14:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I understand your point of view, I just disagree with it. And saying it "hideous" or stating that the system is more complicated without providing any argument will not make me change my mind :) Maybe the issue is that paintings in Category:Paintings of nude sitting females in the 20th century lack there own categories ? However, maybe Category:Paintings by Roger de la Fresnaye in the musée des Beaux-Arts de Nancy‎ is superfluous. Do you know if there are other paintings by this artist in this museum ? Léna (talk) 15:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

ca 14 I am busy to prepare one upload, so we then have at least 2 in the cat--Oursana (talk) 15:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Paintings by painter by museum

Hallo Oursana. Mache etwas Ordnung in Art metacategories. In der oben genannter Categorie habe ich bemerkt dass in vielen Categorien die du hergestellt hast, sehr oft du genau die Categorie des Malers vergessen hast einzugeben. Hier eines der vielen Beispiele. Könnte ich dich bitten alle ähnliche Categorien die du gemacht hast, sie zu kontrollieren, um solche Vergessenheiten zu sanieren? Ich wäre dir sehr dankbar. Was ich so gefunden habe, habe ich ergänzt; aber ich könnte allerlei übersehen haben. Noch was: wenn du eine Categorie by something machst, dann ist das eine Metacategorie, also sie braucht den entsprechenden Template {{metacat|something}} der sie automatisch in die entsprechende Flat list hinzufügt. Herzlichen Dank für die schöne Arbeit die du immer in Commons machst! Liebe Grüsse, --DenghiùComm (talk) 10:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Category:Paintings from Italy by style

Hallo Oursana. Bitte bemerke dass wir für Italien keine Categorien by style haben. Vor etwa 6 Jahren bemerkte ich, dass bei den Kunst Categorien of Italy die Hälfte by style, die andere Hälfte by period benannt war. Mit Hilfe der Admins kam man zum Beschluss alle in by period umzutaufen, und dann zusammenzufügen, was die aktuelle Situazion schildert. Also ich habe deine Cat in die korrekte Form verschoben. Vielleicht sollte man so etwas ähnliches auch für Germany unternehmen. Und besonders für Slovenien ! Liebe Grüsse, --DenghiùComm (talk) 16:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Google Cultural Institute herunterladen

Hallo,

für die Aufzeichnungen hier noch einmal der Link, um Bilder von dort herunterladen zu können: http://gigafineart.herokuapp.com/gcidownload

Funktioniert allerdings nur mit Chrome. Viele Grüße,--Kopiersperre (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

One category per painting

Hi ! I changed the name of the category to a more explicit one, Category:Rocks with Oak Tree (Vincent van Gogh). I know that, from Category:Dutch paintings in the Museum of Fine Arts, Houston, it looks a little silly to have a category for just one painting. But take also into account

1. Category:Landscape paintings by Vincent Van Gogh, Arles 1888 which is already a very specific category, has a lot of paintings in it. It can be hard to find what you look for when you have the same painting four times, under different names, in different langages, and with different colors. I know that a list of titles in English is not the ideal solution, what's why I put galleries in categories, such as Category:Landscape paintings by Vincent van Gogh in the Van Gogh Museum (work in progress) : each painting is shown exactly once, with a link with other versions of the same painting.
2. There is a wikidata element wikidata:Q4103022 for the painting, from which it is interesting to have a commons Category.
3. There are two wikipedia articles, wikipedia:ru:Валуны и дуб and [[[:wikipedia:hy:Գլաքարեր և կաղնի]], from which it is more interesting to link to the category of the painting as well.

Léna (talk) 09:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for cat renaming. This is extremely necessary to have a little chance to trace back the paintings.

I do not think that Category:Landscape paintings by Vincent Van Gogh, Arles 1888 is too big to find back three sorted files. I know that a list of titles in English is not the ideal solution, this is exactly the point, nobody opens 34 subcats, mostly with incorrect names, to find the paintings. When we have nearly as much subcats as files, this is no advantage. Creating galleries for all cats is no solution and isn't done.

It is not at all necessary or advantageous for wikidata nor for the articles to have a cat, with no other information than three files of the same painting. Consider the wikdata project

d:Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings, where it is certainly not aimed to have a cat per painting.

Regards--Oursana (talk) 09:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

It's really hard for Vincent van Gogh because there is no "right" name, since the paintings were given names after his death :(

Well, I do it, but it's a lot of work, and I work on a way to automate this / have it a part of regular mediawiki code.

To illustrate further the problem, I just found another file representing the same painting, which was just in two general categories here. Subcategories of Category:Paintings by Vincent van Gogh is a huge mess which I try to clean the best way I can. I think that a category per artwork + general subcategories (by year, genre, museum, serie, and place of creation) with galeries would be an acceptable solution. If you have a better idea I would gladly read it :) Léna (talk) 10:09, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Skulpturen, Information-Template, etc.

Hallo! Ich habe mal testweise ein Template angelegt und bei File:Düsseldorf, Heinrich-Heine-Denkmal -- 2015 -- 8223.jpg eingebaut. Was hälst du denn davon? Das harmoniert besser mit {{Information}} und ist auch so flexibel, dass man auch mehrere Einträge vornehmen kann. Und natürlich kann man es auch noch erweitern. Bisher sind da nur Skulpturen mit den genutzten 3 Attributen möglich. --XRay ^talk 08:36, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

@XRay: ich habe nochmal entdeckt, dass ich Dir ja nicht geantwortet habe, ehrlich gesagt, verstehe ich es nicht und finde auch nicht das Template. Mein Vorschlag ist tl art photo mit wd vom Denkmal. Hatten wir da an anderer Stelle drüber gesprochen. Zu Deinem vielen Text sag ich mal nix. Wir können das Thema auch lassen. --Oursana (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

Danke für die Antwort. Mit der Zeit hat sich das - glaube ich - auch erledigt. Schön, dass du dir die Zeit genommen hast, die Antwort zu schreiben. Alles Gute aus dem Münsterland! -- XRay 💬 04:52, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

A. Graff, Erbprinzen Heinrich XIII

Hi, for larger upload use this. regards --Ekenaes (talk) 19:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Korrekturen {{LangSwitch}}

Moin! Deine Änderungen bei den von mir hochgeladenen Dateien habe ich gesehen. Auch wenn ich nicht jeden Sortierschlüssel nachvollziehen kann, freue ich mich über diverse Ergänzungen. Nur in einem Fall habe ich eine Bitte. Ändere bitte nicht auf das Template {{LangSwitch}}. Vor längerer Zeit habe ich mich für den anderen Weg entschieden und mein Bot, der regelmäßig alle Beschreibungsseite prüft und bei Bedarf neue Erkenntnisse berücksichtigt, reagiert auf LangSwitch als Fehler. Wenn LangSwitch genutzt wird, erkennen Suchmaschinen u. U. nur noch den englischen Text. Bei {{Information}} wird auch {{En}}, {{De}}, usw. nahegelegt. Die Auswahl dieser Form wird sogar bei {{LangSwitch}} in der Beschreibung als der korrekte Weg bezeichnet. (Steht in einer Tabelle am Ende des Texts.) Danke! --XRay ^talk 06:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Wenn ich noch einmal was fragen darf? Ich rätsele ja schon seit heute früh, aber wonach werden die Sortierschlüssel bei Category:Alte Bibliothek (Berlin) gewählt? Ich komme nicht hinter das Geheimnis. --XRay ^talk 17:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

1. Datum, 2. nach Ansichten, die letzten ca 10 habe ich gelassen--Oursana (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Danke. Aber irgendwie bin ich heute begriffsstutzig. Bei meinem Bild File:Berlin, Alte Bibliothek -- 2013 -- 4550.jpg hast du 3008 gesetzt. Das Bild ist vom 25. 10. 2013. Das Datum spiegelt sich darin nicht wider. Oder ich sehe es nicht. Ich könnte da keinen Sortierschlüssel ergänzen. --XRay ^talk 17:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Nur die alten habe ich n Datum sortiert, dies ungefähr ans Ende von den Ganzaufnahmen, dann kommen die Detailaufnahmen--Oursana (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Seltsame sortkeys für meine Bilderserie File:Amiens France Cathédrale-Notre-Dame-d-Amiens-XX.jpg‎

Guten Abend. Nun würde mich ja doch interessieren, wieso meine Photos von der Kathedrale in Amiens mit kryptischen sortkeys versehen wurden, bzw. welcher Benefit sich daraus ergibt. Vielen Dank und Gruß --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 16:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Wenn Du Dein File richtig bezeichnet oder verlinkt hättest könnte ich Dir besser antworten, so ist es nicht zu finden und ich kann Deine Frage nur grundsätzlich beantworten. Ich habe verschiedene Kategorien so sortiert, dass die Bilder nach Motiv, Aufnahmeort und Qualität zusammenhängen, damit man dann sehen kann, was es gibt. Die so visualisierten guten Fotos, und ich denke von Dir waren einige dabei, habe ich in die Gallery Cathédrale Notre-Dame d'Amiens getan. Der sortkey dient nur dazu, eine Reihe zu bilden, wobei ich hier historische Aufnahmen nach Entstehungsjahr vorneweg sortiert habe und dann entsprechend mit höheren Zahlen weitersortiert habe. Die jeweiligen Kategorien sind nun geordnet und die Bilder auffindbar und vergleichbar. Schade, dass Du das nicht siehst--Oursana (talk) 16:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Dass bestimmte Zusammenhänge erzeugt wurden, habe ich wohl erkannt, das ist ja auch lobenswert. Aber hinter das Geheimnis bin ich nicht gekommen. Also zum Beispiel https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Amiens_France_Cath%C3%A9drale-Notre-Dame-d-Amiens-03b.jpg&curid=32387077&diff=236942912&oldid=235462989, da tauchte der sortkey "008.2" auf. Ich entnehme nun Deiner Erläuterung, dass dieser sortkey eher zufällig gewählt ist, um die Bilder in eine bestimmte Reihenfolge zu bekommen? Gruss, --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 16:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Genauso, diese Seite war auch schwieriger zu sortieren. Ich wähle aus Zeitgründen nicht immer in sich log. sortkeys, weil ich nicht alles auf einmal erfasse. Wäre schön, wenn das hier mehr passiert. Mit Wikidata wird dann sowieso alles anders. Grüsse--Oursana (talk) 17:03, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Danke für Deine Erläuterungen und vielen Dank für die Mühe,die Du Dir mit dem Sortieren machst. Ich habe mir gerade vorgenommen, weitere Bilder aus der Serie nachzubearbeiten :-) Gruss, Uwe

Ich habe ausgezeichnete Fotos soweit ich an den Kategorien war in die Gallery genommen. Da gibts ja extra das tool die zu finden, das kennst Du sicher. Gruß und Danke ganz besonders für Deine schönen Fotos. :)--Oursana (talk) 17:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Leider funktioniert das tool nicht bei meinen neueren Photos, da ich nicht mehr bei QIC mitmache :) Aber man findet meine Bilder ja auch manuell. --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 19:00, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Mistake?

Was this a mistake perhaps? You are right that Category:Great Fish Market is a stupid name for that category. Did you perhaps forget that you wanted to rename the category and messed up the cleanup then? The edits are somewhat funny. I hope you are fine by the way and thanks a lot for your efforts on the Alte Pinakothek file categorization! Cheers, --Marsupium (talk) 14:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

In my eyes, this issue is resolved because the category concerned is now at Category:Great Fish Market by Jan Brueghel (I), and the file concerned in that cat.

Concerning your revert: What is the problem? I try to keep record of the comments I leave. From time to time I get back to them. As you didn't reply I left a note mainly for myself so that I don't have to recall what has happened if I stumble upon my unanswered comment in the future. Whatever the problem with leaving a follow-up comment might be, I'd be delighted not to be addressed in revert comments in a language people might use to rebuke their misbehaving toddlers. If you see any specific misdemeanor of mine that you think gave you reason for this please tell me. Thank you, --Marsupium (talk) 20:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

1. habe ich Deinen edit übersehen bzw hatte keine Zeit, zumal ja auch der Eintrag hierunter dazugehört. Die neue Kategorie habe ich Jahre später auch losgelöst hiervon - und offen gesagt aus Versehen angelegt und würde das nicht wieder tun. Am liebsten würde ich sie wieder auflösen. Aber so lange Der Fischmarkt und die Ehebrecherin in der Kategorie sichtbar sind ist es in Ordnung.

Paintings by Jan Brueghel (I) in the Alte Pinakothek, die Übersichtlichkit und Auffindbarkeit sind hier wunderbar, und soll in keinem Fall duch Unterkategorien zerstört werden. Auch wenn ich nicht geantwortet habe, hast Du es ja verstanden durch meine rotlink Category. Ich bin gegen kleine und vor allem schlecht benannte Kategorien und handel seit Jahren so wir hier mit Unterstützung der löschenden Admins. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Jan_Brueghel_the_Elder-Great_Fish_market.jpg&diff=next&oldid=243989939 habe ich gemacht.

2.Warum hast Du mich eigentlich in Englisch angeschrieben?

3.Und hier dachte ich, weil ich so viel andereres gelöscht habe, Du hättest meine Löschung revertiert, die hier in Kürze erfolgt, darauf bezog sich lass das, insoweit sorry. Aber hier nach 5 Jahren ne Erle zu setzen und jetzt zu revertieren möchte ich nicht, denn ich habe durch meine Bearbeitung 2017 wie man sieht ja alles beantwortet. Ob ich auf halbem Wege über die Umbenennung gekommen bin, möchte ich jetzt nicht mehr untersuchgen. "The edits are somewhat funny" verstehe ich jetzt nicht mehr und scheint mir jetzt nicht mehr zielführend. Ein Konsens über übersichtliche Kategorien und Benennung ist mir wichtig. Ich danke Dir für Deine freundlichen Worte in 2017. Mir geht es gut und das hoffe ich auch von Dir. Bei Wiki GLAM zoom - oder wie immer es heute heisst - Vrel hast Du was verpasst.Oursana (talk) 22:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Hallo, Entschuldigung für die allzu verspätete Antwort! (Ich hatte im letzten Monat nicht viel Zeit, um hier anwesend zu sein.) Danke Dir für Deine Antwort!

Zu 1.: Um ehrlich zu sein, habe ich gar jetzt keine genaue Übersicht, was die ursprünglichen Kategorieprobleme waren. Aber was der Grund für den ersten Kommentar war, ist glaube ich gelöst.

Zu 2.: Was die Sprache betrifft, so ziehe ich Englisch im Zweifel etwas vor, weil es weniger ausschließend für die Mehrheit der Benutzer*innen hier ist und ich es wahrscheinlich mehr gewohnt bin, hier in Englisch zu schreiben. Ich bin aber nicht sehr festgelegt und gern zum Wechsel bereit.

Zu 3.: (Darum ging es mir ja im Wesentlichen.) Ich hatte gehofft, dass es sich um eine Art von Missverständnis handeln würde, und nach etwas Ringen, beschlossen, Dir zu schreiben, um meine Zweifel auszuräumen und nicht nicht in ihnen und unbestimmtem Gram zu verbleiben. Ich schätze wir beide und wir alle hier können uns immer nur in der tatsächlichen Anwendung von COM:AGF verbessern. Um so glücklicher, wenn sich die Annahmen von good faith dann wie hier bestätigen. :-) Danke Dir noch einmal für die Antwort, fröhliches Editieren und beste Grüße, --Marsupium (talk) 10:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Great Fish Market

I disagree with your belief that a category for a painting must have a name that includes the name of the painter. The discussion that you linked to in your edit summary talks about it being a good idea, but does not establish that it is required. However, even if you do want the artist name included, the way to do that is to rename the category for the painting, not to remove files from the category. I'm also puzzled about why you seem to care only about File:Jan Brueghel the Elder-Great Fish market.jpg and not the other files in Category:Great Fish Market.

I'm going to put that file back in the category for that specific painting. Please do not remove it again. If you do, I will ask for help from the admins. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Lucas Cranach the Elder

Hi Oursana. In English language is Lucas Cranach the Elder. [1] Regards, --JMCC1 (talk) 15:47, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

But there is general agreement to use it international. see my links in the summary. Cranach is German so English is not the argument. You should have noticed my and others work renaming the cats. Your discussion would habe been appreciated. Iwoulkd be very thankful if you could help to revert your edits, because I do not have that time. As far as I know you are not acquainted, or not regularly working on Cranach here. So please be carful with your edits.--Oursana (talk) 15:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC) Regards

New key?

Hallo Oursana, ich such schon länger jemanden der mir mal erklärt, was dieser Zahlenkey bei Commons hinter den Bildern bedeutet. Was genau bewirkt deine Änderung? Ist es nur die Sortierung? Oder steht da noch mehr dahinter? Ich hatte mal einen Polen, der hat immer ein kleines "h" als Key eingebaut. Hab das nicht verstanden. Danke für deine Erklärung. -- sk (talk) 10:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Du hast Recht, es ist ausschliesslich Sortierung, ich wollte mal anfangen die Elbe von der Mündung z Quelle z ordnen. Das h macht bestimmt keinen Sinn so wie viele andere Schlüssel. Gruß--Oursana (talk) 11:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Alles klar. Mit Zahlen zu arbeiten erscheint mir da aber etwas unpraktische, es sei den es sind Flusskilometer-Angaben. Wenn du jetzt vielleicht 100 Bilder mit einem numerischen Key sortierst und dann kommen zahlreiche Bilder von Stade oder von Schmilka hinzu musst du ja alle Bilder nochmal zur neusortierung anfassen. Mit einer Sortierung nach dem Flusskilometer (z.B. 100 für ein Bild irgendwo zwischen Kilometer 100 und 199) könnte ich mir das auf Dauer gut vorstellen, aber das muss dann in der Einleitung vermerkt werden, damit alle sich an ein Schema halten. -- sk (talk) 08:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Mit Punkten u Buchstaben kann man weiter unterteilen, vermerken muss man das nicht, weil man das sieht, wenn man sortieren will--Tanzmariechen (talk) 08:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Letztlich ist egal wie man es macht, Hauptsache die Bilder kommen in Reihe, wenn man das will--Oursana (talk) 08:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Danke euch beiden für die Auskunft. - Noch was anderes Oursana: Ich hab hier ein paar Bilder ohne Infobox. Kannst du mir mal an einem Beispiel zeigen, wie man die Daten der handgeschnitzte Tabelle des damaligen Uploaders am besten in die Vorlage:Artwork einbaut. Ich würde dann die restlichen Bilder übernehmen. -- sk (talk) 13:22, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Category names

If you want to correct Category names, the respectful for the other editors is to move them to maintain the history and not create another category like this Richard III (National Portrait Gallery) and this Richard III (National Portrait Gallery NPG 148). Thanks. (Ecummenic (talk) 00:24, 24 July 2018 (UTC))

File:Franz Richard Unterberger - Amalfi dai Cappuccini.jpg

Hallo Oursana. Vor einem Monat hat ein Dummkopf allerlei files, die ich aufgeladen hatte, mit malereien aus dem 17. und 18. Jahrhundert, unter Deletion Request gesetzt, weil da keine Genehmigung des Authors bestand. Irre! Es kam raus dass die License falsch war. Ich hatte eben {{FAL}} gegeben, was offenbar dies verlangt. So musste ich über 400 files die Licence ändern. Für diesen file hast du es wieder rückgängig gemacht. Ich glaube dass es nicht sinnvoll ist. Schau dir mal diese Free Art License an um was es genau geht (ich habe verstanden, haupsächlich um moderne Kunstwärke...), und regle dich danach. Ich möchte nicht wieder allerlei Files nachspringen müssen. Herzlichen Dank und alles Gute. --DenghiùComm (talk) 14:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

ok, scusi, non lo sapevo, ma prende "100" anni fa. Danke und herzliche Grüße, schaue ich mir demnächst mal an.--Oursana (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Category:Madonnas_by_painter

Madonnas by painter has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Themightyquill (talk) 20:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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Violation of privacy by publication of private addresses and other private data

Hallo Oursana, Du hattest eine Datei aus einer Kategorie entfernt ([2]). Für diese und weitere Dateien in der Kategorie Category:Documents regarding Dolgen manor hatte ich einen Schnelllöschantrag gestellt. der in einen regulären LA umgewandelt wurde (User talk:Taivo#Violation of privacy by publication of private addresses and other private data). Da Du mit dem Umfeld wohl vertraut bist, könntest Du Dich an der LD beteiligen. Die Dateien sind – soweit ich das überblicke – nur für eine Privatfehde hochgeladen worden, was ich aber dem Admin nicht vermitteln konnte. Gruß, --ThT (talk) 16:37, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Bin nicht vertraut--Oursana (talk) 16:45, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

File:Baertje Martens, by Rembrandt van Rijn.jpg

Hi Oursana, dieses Dupe-Speedy hab ich erst einmal revertiert, weil mir die Bilder zu unterschiedlich aussehen. Zudem ist der Ersteller des Bildes, das gelöscht werden würde, etwas empfindlich und gibt sich viel Mühe mit Gemälden. Falls es dir dennoch notwendig erscheint, dann sprich ihn bitte zunächst darauf an. --Túrelio (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Danke für Deine Nachricht Turelio, beide Hochlader geben Hermitage als Quelle an. Ich soll jetzt aber nicht Kontakt mit einem gesperrten Benutzer aufnehmen, dessen Problem Bildermanipulation war.

Das habe ich nicht verstanden. Ist aber alles nicht so wichtig. Ich versuche die files übersichtlich zu halten und danke Dir für Deinen Einsatz, herzliche GrüßeOursana (talk) 16:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Puh, das war ein Edit vor 10 Monaten. Keine Erinnerung mehr. Bei regulären Duplikat-Löschungen läuft ja so ein Skript ab. Oh, ist Arkesteijn gesperrt? Hatte ich nicht mitbekommen. Ok, dann würd ich sagen, wenn du Ahnung von Gemälden hast bzgl. Farbechtheit, dann entscheide du (ich führe es dann aus). --Túrelio (talk) 17:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Ich hab noch mal geguckt, ich glaube auch, das die Farben unterschiedlich sind, sorryOursana (talk) 17:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Art photos and Structured Data: a quest for you!

Hello! I was talking with @Gnom: about the Template:Art photo and Structured Data and he mentioned you saying that you know what could be done. For example we have tons of recent images with lot of weird metadata that could be imported in SD (list of images). In my spare time I would like to develop a bot for this but I need some logical help. Have you any idea about this? Thank you for your precious help! --Valerio Bozzolan (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Valerio Bozzolan, I simple know how to use Template:Art photo and nothing about mass import. Perhaps you can ask at Commons talk:Structured data or Template talk:Artwork Saluti--Oursana (talk) 16:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Revert

Hi, it would be interesting if you could motivate your reverts. Maybe i'm not touched (yet) by your grace but I can't guess the reason why you did it as you didn't loose any second from your precious time to explain it. Thank you.--Birdie (talk) 11:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

1. citation might be helpful

2. you did not give any comments on your deletion either

3. sarcasm or irony is not helpful to cooperate in the project

Perhaps it will be helpful to start doing what you asks others to do--Oursana (talk) 21:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Advice

Hello Oursana,

I completely understand being upset with this. Same Admim threatened to block me three times for "vandalism" in a few days last June, the last one said the next time I would be blocked. After discussion at "User problems", the decision was he could not block me because he was "involved" and that my edits were not "vandalism". (It was also said he has a history of such "victims".) So he followed me and reverted little edits almost daily for over a year. It is not worth changing anything regarding his uploads, even the categories, as they are "owned" by him and he will retaliate. Kindly regards, --Krok6kola (talk) 14:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your comment--Oursana (talk) 17:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Please do not overwrite files

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I noticed that you uploaded a file using the name File:Messkirch Mocking of Christ.jpg. A file by this name already existed on Commons. Overwriting an existing file should not be done except when making minor, uncontroversial corrections, so the file has been restored to its previous version. If the file that you attempted to upload is within our project scope and is in the public domain or published under a free license, please upload it again under a different name. Thank you. For more information, please see Commons:Overwriting files.

Multichill (talk) 10:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Paintings by Jacobello del Fiore in the Gallerie dell'Accademia (Venice)

I changed that because the category name doesn't indicate that it's for religious paintings. Even if all the paintings in the category are religious ones, this category should state so if it's going under a religious painting parent category. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

It is the first time I read this argument. You could also argue, you can only say Religious paintings by , when there are also other paintings as well. Years ago I was reverted for this. Most cats we use are not stated in the subcat, e.g.many cats do not mention the artist ( not ok) nor material nor year and you can use e.e. cats for oil paintings or certain periods.

Diana and Actaeon by Lucas Cranach (I) (Fränkische Galerie) has cat 16th-century paintings of people with dogs though " in your words the category name doesn't indicate that it's for" 16th c or dogs. So you see your arguing is not at all convincing.

I think I would not habe divided the small Paintings in the Fränkische Galerie, because now the overview ist damaged. But what one would never not do - as for me: a cat for only one painting - mostly is not regulated on commons. So please restrain from reverts as long as other users edits are acceptable and no mistakes. And please restrain from to many detailed cats to maintain the overview of the paintings.--Oursana (talk) 17:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Please respect the chronology as sortorder

Hi Oursana. You have removed the sortkey from this file File:August Fischer - Huse ved en sø - 1879.png. Could you please respect that in Denmark we generally use the chronology of the paintings as sortorder. It makes sense to us, because titles may vary according to language used, but the chronology is unchanged. Please revert your edit - and others of the same kind (if there are any). Cheers --Rsteen (talk) 16:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rsteen, as you know commons is an international project and as far as I know we do not have special sorting rules. It does not make sense to sort by date, which often is not known or are unknown to commons users. To keep images from Italy and other places together is more useful.

this file has no date nor was it sorted by date. I sort by painter and English title and place--Oursana (talk) 18:10, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi again. We can agree that Commons is an international project and there are no recommended sorting rules for things like artworks. Then you write that you sort by "painter and English title and place". That seems a good idea when you work with items where nobody has made other guidelines. But when it comes to works by Danish artists, those of us who use a lot of time to upload and organize their works, have made the discussion (in Danish) about how to organize and sort their works. You could not know about that, and therefore you have now been told - politely - how we work, and you have been asked to revert your edits.

The general guideline is to sort the paintings by date. This is done, so you can follow the artist's progress from early works to maturity, and discover important changes in the choice of motifs and colour schemes. Undated works go last, they are often less important. Category:Paintings by August Fischer would be a good example of this.

For some of the more important painters, we organize their works by three dimensions: 1) When was the work made? 2) What is the subject? 3) Where is the work now? Category:Paintings by Anna Ancher would be an example of this.

Hope you will appreciate and respect this. Cheers --Rsteen (talk) 00:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

As you say one cannot find the mysterious sorting rules for Danish paintings. I am contributor at commons for many years and I always respect commons rules and practice. And you are right, what I do not know, I cannot consider. In your place I would work on this and get general acceptance. But consider the project with every country#s own rules....I never heard of this. I came to Fischer because of a Hamburg motif and there is almost no chance to come back again. And again, the file I started with had no sort key at all. And I hope this is the friendly end of this conversationOursana (talk) 08:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, during our discussions, we looked at "best practices" in other countries. The Netherlands are very good at organizing their paintings so we took some clues from them. See for instance Category:Marine paintings by Ludolf Bakhuizen. Since you do not plan to return to Fischer, I hope you will not be offended that I restore the sortorder - where possible. Cheers Rsteen (talk) 11:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

But not all in this cat. see [:File:Lille PdBA Backhuyzen marine.JPG]], File:Ludolf backhuizen, marina con mare mosso, 1675-1700 ca.jpg. The problem is, if you do not sort all, there is no system. I am very familiar with the Netherlands on commons, and they do not sort all by date. It is the handwriting of one (much appreciated) user long ago, when there were less files, and not for all sort of categories. I sometimes state the sort key on the category or its discussion page - unfortunately without result. Sometimes by sorting by date you separate same motifs. With Kaufmann you could perhaps consider sorting different countries (motif) perhaps on a gallery page, to offer a different overview from the category, imagine me just looking for the Hamburg painting. A sorting by date - and this painting is not dated - hardly gives me a chance to find it. In the case of Fischer I do not mind, but I would be glad if I could show you some arguments against sorting by date. And I did not want to disturb with my sortingOursana (talk) 11:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Erklären

Hallo Oursana. Könntest du mir bitte dies etwas besser erklären ? Vielen Dank und alles Gute. DenghiùComm (talk) 07:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Guten morgen DenghiùComm, sehr gerne.

1. Bitte benutze kein Komma im Kategorienamen.

2. Die Kategorie verwendet Plymouth und Toledomuseum gleichzeitig. Das geht nicht und ist falsch. Das gilt für alle Bilder. Außerdem sind die Bilder von Cranach 2 (toledo) oder nach Cranach 2 auch das müsste in den Kategorienamen.

Besser verwenden wir die Kategorie nicht. Die andere Version ist immer aufgeführt, das sollte reichen.

Oursana (talk) 07:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok Oursana. Ich habe diese files überall zerstreut gefunden, ein totales Chaos, und so alle zusammengefügt. Ja es war mir klar dass es nicht korrekt war zwei verschiedene Museum in der selben Kategorie geben, aber ich war beschäftigt mit einer Kette von anderen Cats und hatte Eile da fertig zu werden und den Faden nicht zu verlieren. Va bene, meine Probleme... Aber es war mir bewusst, und wollte dann wieder gelegentlich auf di Kategorie zurück kommen. Leider vergessen. Aber deswegen habe ich der Name der Kategorie absichtlich "neutral" gestaltet. Man kann in ihr zwei unterkategorien öffnen wie ich es für andere Künstler gemacht habe, die auch Repliken ihrer Werke hergestellt haben, z.B. Category:Paintings of Apollo flaying Marsyas by Ribera. Was meinst du ? Liebe Grüsse, DenghiùComm (talk) 08:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Vielleicht versuchen wir C:"Martin Luther and the Wittenberg Reformers by and after Lucas Cranach (II)" ohne Museen. Martin Luther and the Wittenberg Reformers ist der Titel, und Unterkategorie: "Lucas Cranach (II), Martin Luther and the Wittenberg Reformers, Toledo Museum of Art". Es gibt noch eine weitere englische Kopie.. Saluti et buona giornataOursana (talk) 08:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:Madonna with bare breast and not drinking Christ child in art

Do you plan to add more to this category? There are many, many more images that would fit the description, but there are currently only five files in the category. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Painting categories without artist name

Hi. Thank you for your comment on this page, I completely agree with you. But on the opposite, I don't understand this revision : where it have been decided that there is "no valid Category naming without painter's name" ? Is there any community decision about I wouldn't know ? A great number of paintings doesn't have any known author or there is a controversy about it, like this painting. I don't think a totaly hypothetical name would be useful to name a category about an artwork : in that case which name using ? Perugino ? Aloigi ? Anonymous (but it's not that case). A good categorization could be good enough. Thank you. Mel22 (talk) 12:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

The painter is Aloigi following Musée Condée and enWP; all three files have the artist's name. But I do not see any need to create a special cat only for this painting and will revert the other files too. It is common policy to use a painter's name in the cat. When I started at commons I had to learn this by reverts too, which was always agreed too by admins and which clearly makes sense. I always change cats without painter's name with the support of admins. look here. I hope you can agree with me Oursana (talk) 13:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Beschneidung Christi (Staatliche Museen Berlin, Bodemuseum. Inv.Nr. 2063)

Die Beschreibung klingt eigentlich recht eindeutig, trotzdem kann ich das Bild in der Datenbank der Gemäldegalerie nicht finden. Hast Du da eine bessere Suchidee? Es handelt sich um eine Tafel des Inzigkofener Altars (1505) der Werkstatt des Meisters von Veringen, Hans und Jakob Strüb. Es wäre schön wenn sich ein Bild finden ließe, dann hätten nämlich von 14 Tafeln, bis auf eine Tafel, die sich noch in Privatbesitz befindet, alle Abbildungen. Hochgeladen ist bisher nur eines File:Hans Strüb (active early 16th century), The Visitation, c. 1505.jpg, aber ich sitze gerade an den 11, die sich in der Sammlung Würth befinden. --Wuselig (talk) 17:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

https://www.bildindex.de/document/obj02556099?part=2&medium=gg0215
http://www.smb-digital.de/eMuseumPlus?service=RedirectService&sp=Scollection&sp=SfieldValue&sp=0&sp=2&sp=3&sp=Slightbox_3x4&sp=0&sp=Sdetail&sp=0&sp=F Smb ist unvollständig, viel Erfolg--Oursana (talk) 19:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

https://www.bildindex.de/ete?action=queryupdate&desc=Inzigkofener%20Altar&index=obj-all

https://aleph.mpg.de/F/GFSK6YAHXBMG26ERIRD7DPM2UXJ2J5JVXYH9ADBE7TGH89GNUR-20709?func=full-set-set&set_number=893696&set_entry=000014&format=999 Lit.

Danke! Da ist doch schon mal was. Wenn die das in Berlin nicht ausstellen wollen, dann können sie es ja als Leihgabe nach Schwäbisch Hall schicken. Herr Würth kann dann die beiden fehlenden Werke ja noch erwerben. Die Anna selbdritt ist noch irgendwo in Privatbesitz. 1931 aus der Fürstenbergsammlung genommen und zum familieneigenen Schloss Werenwag verbracht. Wahrscheinlich aber weiterverkauft. Außer die Einkäufer bei Würth haben 2004 im Katalog Grimm/Konrad das Kleingedruckte nicht gelesen. --Wuselig (talk) 20:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hrotsvitha

Commons:Overcat does not apply when one category is not a subcategory (at any level) of the other. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:HERE._Black_in_Rembrandt's_Time

HERE. Black in Rembrandt's Time has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Themightyquill (talk) 10:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

"new key"

Hallo Oursana, was ist der Zweck von Änderungen wie dieser? TheRunnerUp (talk) 07:07, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Das ist ein Sortierschlüssel. Ich habe die Kategorie numerisch entlang der Bahn vom Tal zum Berg, Berg- Talblick sortiert. Wenn alles wild durcheinander geht macht es nicht viel Sinne. Ohne Sortierschlüssel wir nach Dateiname sortiert. eigentlich keine Lösung.Oursana (talk) 07:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Und wer soll das aktualisieren, wenn neue Bilder dazukommen? Woher soll ich wissen, was der Sortierschlüssel 005. oder 023 bedeuten? Wenn das wirklich so gemacht werden soll, müsstest Du wenigstens auf der Diskussionsseite die Sortierschlüssel angeben. Wäre es dafür nicht besser, Namen zu verwenden, bei denen sich jeder was vorstellen kann?

Oder am besten das ohnehin bereits bestehende Kategorie-System: Für jede Deiner Schlüsselnummern eine allgemein verständliche Unterkategorie? Wird das von anderen auch gemacht? Gibt es da irgendwo einen Konsens dazu, oder kommt übermorgen einer der sagt: "So ein Blödsinn, das mache ich alles rückgängig, damit die Bilder schön alphabetisch sortiert sind."? TheRunnerUp (talk) 11:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

PS: viele sinnvoller wäre es, die Fotos in einer Kategorie nach Erstellungsdatum zu sortieren, damit ich sehe, was aktuelle und was historische Fotos sind. --TheRunnerUp (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

also den Punkt mache ich dann, wenn ich was dazwischen schiebe. Den Sortierschlüssel erkläre ich gerne auf der Disk. Nach meiner Erfahrung ist die Wartung ein vorgeschobenes Argument. Es ist doch ersichtlich, dass jeder Sortierschlüssel besser ist als der Zufallsgenerator der File names. Es gibt hier User, die Sortieren zB mitten in der Kategorie Hamburger Rathaus "Luftbild" in deutsch, wobei es in Englisch auch nicht besser wäre. Einige andere sortieren auch. Ich bin meistes in der Kunst unterwegs, dann haben wir inhaltliche Textschlüssel zB Künstler, Titel. Das geht hier nicht.

Das mit den Unterkategorien greift in der Tat um sich, weil ja die Kategorien immer größer werden. Dann geht es los, in welcher Sprache ..Die Kategorien sind meist böse mißverständlich. Und wir haben hier ja keinen Karteikasten sondern eine Bildersammlung. Die müssen wir dann auch sehen. Bei den ganzen Unterkategorien willst Du doch nicht die ganze Zeit auf Dreiecke klicken. Es gibt hierzu manchmal Diskussionen. Manche finden die Sortierung auch ausdrücklich gut. Zurückdrehen tut es niemand, und ich erhalte selten Reaktionen. Ich glaube 2 Admins in großen zeitlichen Abständen haben das mal aufgegriffen und keiner hat hierauf auf Village pump reagiert. Ein einfacher transparenter Sortierschlüss wär mal ein Ding für technische Wünsche, habe ich vor Jahren auch mal angemerkt. Bin auch sicher, dass mit Bilderkennung eine automatische Sortierung ähnlicher Motive möglich wäre, oder dass man für die Reihenfolge anklickt in ein Kästchen klickt.. da kann man sich vieles vorstellen. Schade ist, dass Du nicht mehr sehen kannst, wie schlimm es vorher war. Was meinst Du mit alphabetisch sortiert? Ist doch egal wie man sortiert. Um die Reihenfolge gehts und sie sollte schon plausibel sein, dass ist von 1-100 genauso wie von a nach Z. Also besser eine sortierte Kategorie bis zu 100 Files als 10 a 2 oder 10 a 1 gibt es alles. Heute sah ich folgendes: An einer Schlossfassade war an einer Stelle eine Marmortreppe, die war natürlich auf allen Bildern von dieser Fassade. Auf einem Foto war die Marmortreppe als close up und da gab es dann eine extra Kategorie bzw noch extra eine Unterkategorie mit der Dekade für dieses 1 file. Wer soll das finden. Verschiedene Meinungen gibt es zu allem. Es geht ja nicht um die Sortierschlüsselform, sondern um die Bilderreihenfolge und die ist diskutierbar.

Was ich wirklich nicht verstehe, warum Du ohne Sortierschlüssel (bzw nach filename) alles durcheinander haben willst. Ich habe dann direkt eine Galerie gemacht. Das Sortieren ist die Vorarbeit, sonst kann man es nicht vergleichen. Bei der Galerie kannst Du natürlich auch einiges diskutieren, das wird aber gar nicht gemacht.

Unter oben 67 + 79 hast Du Diskussionsbeiträge hierzu, lange her.

Noch mal, wenn Du 10 Kleinstunterkategorien hast, hast Du nichts gewonnen und eine schlechtere Übersicht. Am besten den Überblick behalten. Oursana (talk) 12:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

1. Ich will keine Reihenfolge von a nach z, sondern von Talstation über Freie Strecke nach Bergstation und Blick von der Bergstation, sodass nicht erst lange überlegen muss, was a oder x oder 005. bedeutet.

2. Wie Du schreibst, haben wir hier ja keinen Karteikasten sondern eine Bildersammlung. Und eine Bildschirmseite mit 20 oder 30 Bildern kann ich auch rein optisch überblicken, sodass ich ähnliche Aufnahmen erkenne und für mich zusammenordnen kann. Und jede Kat, die mehr als 30 Einträge hat, gehört jedenfalls aufgeteilt. Außerdem: eben keine Karteikasten, sondern eine Kategorisierung, d.h. ein Bild kann ja auch in mehreren (Unter-)kategorien und wenn sinnvoll auch in der übergordneten Kategorie aufscheinen (wie zB die Marmorstiege)

3. Findest Du es wirklich sinnvoll, dass in einem kollaborativen Projekt ein System von genau einer Benutzerin (oder sind es zwei oder fünf?) verwendet wird, während alle anderen was anderes oder gegenteiliges machen?

Danke jedenfalls für die Erläuterungen und noch viel Spaß beim Sortieren. TheRunnerUp (talk) 13:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Gallery beim Meister von Meßkirch

Du hast beim Meister von Meßkirch eine Gallery angefangen. Ich misch mich da jetzt mal nicht ein. Hast Du ein Programm dafür im Kopf? Wuselig (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

"angefangen" habe ich sie nicht, denn da sind jetzt infos die man so nicht bei einer Galerie erwartet. Und die Tabelle ist in vielerlei Hinsicht so nicht nutzbar, schon wegen der Rotlinks. Hier scheint im Gegensatz zu Deiner Frage kein Programm zu bestehen.

Wieso hast Du denn Deine Galerie gelöscht, genau das habe ich erinnert. Ich hätte sie etwas kompakter angelegt, aber das hätte man ja noch machen können. Also hier bin ich sehr gespannt auf Deine Antwort und ich hätte sie wirklich sehr gerne zurück. Ansonsten ist es hier ein wiki. Ich vermisse hier wirklich eine klassische Galerie, meist chronologisch geordnet und in Zusammenhängen so wie alle anderen Galerien hier.

hast Du gesehen?--Oursana (talk) 16:59, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Die Galerie in dieser Form war überholt und schwer zu aktualisieren, wenn einzelne Gemälde ihren Standort wechseln. Deshalb habe ich die aus Sum of all paintings erzeugte Galerie eingefügt. Was die Rotlinks angeht, bin ich mit Dir sogar einer Meinung, habe/hatte aber die Hoffnung, dass das mit der Weiterentwicklung des Projekts sich von selbst behebt. Was man in der Tat machen könnte, statt des jetzt einsamen Portraits, doch noch die Altarzusammenhänge, die am Ende der alten Galerie angefügt waren doch wieder einzufügen und oben anzubringen. Wuselig (talk) 17:53, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

so oft haben sie doch nicht gewechselt. Also das wäre toll, wenn Du Ziff. 2/3 wieder hinzufügen könntest. Genau diese Altarzusammenhänge meinte ich. Oursana (talk) 03:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Done Wuselig (talk) 19:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Du bist ja toll, danke. Das wäre echt schade drum gewesenOursana (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Bilderspende der Staatlichen Museen

Die Kategorie Category:Images provided by Staatliche Museen zu Berlin sollte nur Bilder aus der aktiver Bilderspende der Staatlichen Museen an Wikimewdia Commons enthalten um diese Aktion zu dokumentieren. Also, die Aktion, die in Zusammenarbeit mit User:Staatliche Museen zu Berlin (Raymond) gestartet wurde. Also nicht Bilder, die "wir" selbst aus deren Digitaler Sammlung extrahieren.

Oder geht das Projekt, mit Deiner Beteiligung, jetzt auf eine andere Art und Weise weiter? Wuselig (talk) 07:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Da möchte ich @Wuselig zustimmen. Für die Beibehaltung der Trennung wäre ich sehr dankbar. Es werden künftig noch weitere Uploads der Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin folgen. Raymond 11:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wuselig: , @Raymond: Werde ich nach und nach wieder weiter separieren.

Könnt Ihr bitte cats vorsehen,

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Desco_da_parto_(Geburtsteller)_-_Gemäldegalerie_Berlin_-_2679259.jpg&oldid=673828561

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Bauernfamilie_-_Gemäldegalerie_Berlin_-_5139522.jpg&oldid=673829394,

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Die_Auferstehung_Christi_-_Gemäldegalerie_Berlin_-_5193421.jpg&oldid=673829686

Die icon class sollte über wikidata eingegeben werden. --Oursana (talk) 03:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Oursana, @Raymond.

Bei meiner Nacharbeitung habe ich die Kategorisierung nach bestem Wisssen und Gewissen vorgenommen. Es stellt sich natürlich die Frage, in wie weit wir es den Museen zumuten wollen, bei einer Bilderspende schon in unser Kategorisierungssystem einzusteigen? Verzögern wir den Up-load Prozess dadurch vielleicht sogar?

Ähnlich sehe ich das bei der icon class. Wollen und können wir es den spendenden Museen zumuten auch noch in das System von Wikidata einzusteigen? Im Moment finde ich es schon toll, wenn sie soviel wie möglich Information bereitstellen.

Welche Datenbankkonfiguration hat denn das einzelne Museum, dass uns solche Bildbestände bereitstellt?

Wenn wir den Upload in Zukunft mit OpenRefine organisieren, gibt es dann die Möglichkeit eines besseren Abgleichs mit Wikidata? Wuselig (talk) 05:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Aber das Museum möchte doch schon seine Spende im Museum kategorisiert sehen und nicht wie oben nur in der Künstler katOursana (talk) 05:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wuselig Du hast völlig recht. Je feiner die Erstkategorisierung sein wird, desto langsamer kommen neue Bilder. Es muss also immer ein Kompromiss sein, damit das Museum nicht jedes Bild einzeln mit dem hiesigen Kategorienbaum abgleichen muss. Bei den Gemälden wurde der Upload mit Pattypan gemacht, da war kein halbautomatischer Abgleich mit Wikidata möglich. Die Münzen wurden mit einer Betaversion von OpenRefine hochgeladen, so dass auch direkt einige strukturierte Daten eingepflegt werden konnten. Ich hoffe, dass bei weiteren Münzen mehr Abgleich mit Wikidata stattfinden kann, denn die Normdaten sind im internen Münzkatalog IKMK vorhanden, leider aber noch nicht im internen Katalogsystem der SMB. Das soll noch kommen; dann kann über die Normdaten ein Abgleich u.a. mit dem Münzherrn stattfinden und somit eine viel bessere Anreicherung erfolgen. Bei den nächsten Gemäldefotos sollte es mittels OpenRefine auch möglich sein, bereits vorhandene Wikidata-Einträge zu den Gemälden zu identifizieren und direkt zu verknüpfen, so dass ein Teil der manuellen Arbeit wegfällt. Es ist aber eben auch ganz viel "Work in progress", so dass sich die Uploadprozesse im Laufe der Zeit noch verbessern werden. Raymond 06:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Deletions

Please do not delete the descriptions of the paintings in Russian. They are needed and used in the Russian Wikipedia. Your May edits broke my work! Villarreal9 (talk) 07:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Please give a link, the linking is provided via wikidata--Oursana (talk) 08:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Link. Before your removing description was: "«Пейзаж с Христом и апостолами на Тивериадском озере» (нид. Landschap met de verschijning van Christus aan het meer van Tiberias). Частное собрание". Now: "Christus und die Apostel am See Genezareth (Bruegel 1553)". Can you see the difference? Does this description in Russian break something in the file? If not, why are you deleting it? It performs its function, but Wikidata does not perform this function! Please fix everything broken by you. --Villarreal9 (talk) 17:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

The information you give does not belong to the "description", see tl:artwork|doc, the title, material, dimensions and so on are given seperately in the tl. The tl is international, so that not every language gives double information at various places of the file.

Please accept the international handling and rules of commons. It is not possible to give extra double information in all almost 300 wp languages. Please accept this, there is no privilege for Russian language. Commons and wikidata help to organize the file description with good overview. So far you seem to be the only one not accepting this. You should use another way for ru :wp like other language versions do. The file description has been without double information in ru and vi for years, please restrain and keep the files as they have been for years. All language versions are also restricted to wikidata and tl:artwork--Oursana (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Friedrich Kaiser: Tempo der Gründerjahre

Hallo Oursana, schau mal: Commons:Graphic_Lab/Photography workshop#Grab high-resolution photo of a painting from a museum website. Ich erinnere mich, dass du mit solchen Sachen Erfahrung hast – könntest du dich der Sache annehmen? Viele Grüße, Gnom (talk) 13:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC) @Gnom: , schön von Dir zu hören. Das konnte ich leider nicht. Gut zu sehen, dass es klappt. Tolle Idee und Hilfe. Liebe Grüße--Oursana (talk) 02:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Sortorder for paintings

Hi Oursana. Apparently the Danish users on Commons are sorting Danish paintings completely wrong. Well, that would be the case since you have taken upon you to correct our sorting conventions, like here: File:Anton Melbye - Et skib i høj sø ved solnedgang - 1847.jpg. The sortkey for Oil marine paintings by Anton Melbye used to be "1847", but you deleted that sortkey. Why? Could you please point me to the help section that sets a standard for sortkeys of this kind, because I am unable to find it. One of the reasons that the keys of all the paintings in the category were set to the production year (if one exists) is that it is much easier to see which works are in the category, if a new one arrives. Many of the marine paintings (and landscapes) tend to look alike, and a year will help us to find them and distinguish between them. Your method of using a title has been rejected here in Denmark, because titles can be in English, in Danish or in any other language, making searches unnessesarily complex. Furthermore, auction houses will from time to time slap diffenerent titles to the same painting, when it reappears for sale. Another reason for the chronological model is that it gives us a good insight into the developement of the painter's style over time. So please, where is it decided that your way of doing things is the right one? Cheers Rsteen (talk) 01:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hallo Rsteen, in general on commons paintings are sorted after the painter's name as users are looking after this more that after year, furthermore often the dates for the paintings are lacking. I was not aware of the soecial sortkey for Oil marine paintings and I could as well ask you, where your way of sorting is decided.

Looking at your mentioned file, I only changed the sortkey of the Oil marine .. harmonizing the sortkeyover all cats, but I reverted this. It makes perhaps sense in a painters's cat as the oil marine titles do not much differ

File:J.L. Jensen, Granatæble, grønne og blå druer på stenkarm, 1833, 0219NMK, Nivaagaards Malerisamling.jpg uses different sortkeys in different cats.

A general sortkey over all would be transparent, easier to handle...

I am always concerned about the user finding a file/painting, and general sorting is in English as the cats names are. I do not knwow about special danish sorting. You are the only user reacting--Oursana (talk) 02:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for your swift answer and your latest edit. There are only four Danes contributing regularly to the works of Danish painters, so we found it convenient to reach a consensus about how to sort the paintings. When it comes to categories that comprise many artists, like paintings in a museum, we chose to use the artists' names followed by the dates. When dealing with works from one specific painter, we have two guidelines, the general one is to use the date, but for painters who have categories with portrait paintings, we sort those portraits according to the person depicted. All of this is done for two reasons. The first is, that it should be as easy as possible to find the works and the second is to help with the study of how a painter's style may have developed through his or her lifetime. Cheers Rsteen (talk) 03:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation, I started sorting 1847 oil on canvas paintings. It could perhaps be helpful to explain the sortkey at the category--Oursana (talk) 09:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

File:Monet w 66.jpg

du hast da ein paar Sachen ergänzt, nur glaube ich, dass du die Bilder in Bremen und Bukarest verwechselst. Vielleicht schaust du noch mal hin. Goesseln (talk) 08:46, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

File:Cuyp Christ and the Samaritan woman (detail) 02.jpg

Hello Oursana, wondering why you added the file to the to Category:Revue de l'art Chrétien. Thank you so much for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Media without a license: needs history check

Hallo Oursana,

deine Bearbeitungen an File:Pieter bruegel il giovane, estate 05.JPG haben dazu geführt, dass diese Datei anschließend keinen Lizenzbaustein mehr hatte und von einem Bot in die Category:Media without a license: needs history check einsortiert wurde. Das war auch schon bei einigen anderen Dateien der Fall, die ich in den letzten Tagen bereinigt hatte. Bitte füge bei dieser Datei den Baustein wieder hinzu und achte in Zukunft darauf, dass Dateien nach Bearbeitung noch einen Lizenzbaustein haben. Danke. Gruß --Rosenzweig τ 07:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry, I deleted the invalid license, which was a violation of commons policies and European copyright law (effective for two years) and forgot the replacement. Thanks for your mentioning.--Oursana (talk) 11:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

File:Christoph Amberger 010.jpg

Hello Oursana,

I do not appreciate you marking a file that I had explicitely kept in a deletion request as a supposed "duplicate". I tend to notice such things. Please do not do it again. --Rosenzweig τ 10:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I have now merged the files using the newer file name in the hope that this ends the matter. --Rosenzweig τ 10:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

There were two different reasons for deletion requests, which I first had not all realized. So I do not see any mistakes in my second request and thank you for your support. As commons is steadily growing with more technical possibilities we should delete very bad quality images and in any case duplicates following commons policies.--Oursana (talk) 11:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:Vierge de l'Annonciation, 858.2.1

Why did you removed this category from File:Musee-Fenaille-Vierge-858-2-1.jpeg ? Léna (talk) 07:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

For years I tell you to name categories properly with the artist's name or place, and have deleted them, especially by creating atomizing unnecessary cats for 1 artwork with only 1-3 files. You should remember our discussions. I took the files to the supercats and forgot to have the cat deleted and thank you to remind me. So please rename the cat properly and not enigmatic, but better leave it in the few file of Sculptures in musée Fenaille. I think I did not complete the supercats. The artist's name is sometimes missing in your van Gogh cats, so one in Beach scenes by Vincent van Gogh. Category names should be in English commons:Categories#Category names. From you as Admin I expect specially that you follow commons policy. You certainly remember that all Louvre cats had to be renamed in the past. If you do not agree and change the name, which I cannot understand, I will start a cfd.

I did categorization and sorting Oursana (talk) 11:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, point by point.

There are only two policies that are relevant here :

• Commons:Categories
• Commons:Guide_to_batch_uploading#Categories

If there are other documents that invalidate what follows, I'll change my mind, no problem.

• For English, the rule is "Category names should generally be in English (see Commons:Language policy). However, there are exceptions such as some proper names, biological taxa and names for which the non-English name is most commonly used in the English language (or there is no evidence of usage of an English-language version)" ; for this sculpture the only evidence of English usage is in the widata item. For me it's not even since it's internal to Wikimedia projects. In that, many artworks don't have English names, even in the Louvre.
• For 1 artwork with only 1-3 files, I don't see any policy on this. I think for artworks it's better to have "one artwork - one category", but I can understand why you would see things differently.
• For artwork categories needing their artist in their name, I again don't see any policy on this, and also I fail to see the relevance here since the creator is anonymous.

Léna (talk) 12:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

When the artist is anonymous one should mention the place in the category name. What sense does it make to mention an inventory nummer without mentioning the museum as well. That is against all common sense.

• For English naming I am not with you, it is not only for wikidata and this is not internal, users have more difficulties to recognize French naming than English. And commons text is expressively clear and does not allow your interpretation.
• "one artwork - one category" misunderstands every category system, by this you cannot find the artworks, as they are hidden in blue links and texts inspite of pictures. When you even give an enigmatic category name, the user cannot find the artwork. So what is wrong with the categorization I did for the three files? For me it is sufficient and even better.

commons states a necessity of creating categories

It is rarely necessary to create a new category

To create a new category: Do a thorough search, to be sure there isn't an existing category that will serve the purpose.

So your 1 artwork 1 category is not supported by commons policy and common sense. It would kill the system. We better discuss in broader context or have cfd. Up to now all my deletion requests for incorrect category names had been done by admins without refuse.Oursana (talk) 13:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Bilder in Netz speichern

Liebe Oursana, wir hatten vor Jahren zuletzt darüber gesprochen: Welche Tools (Browsererweiterungen oder so) kannst du empfehlen, um große Bilddateien aus frickeligen Bildbetrachtern im Netz zu "brefreien"? Gnom (talk) 10:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Moin lieber Gnom, mein Lieblingstool ist https://dezoomify.ophir.dev und am besten mit firefox und dazu gibt es für FF eine Erweiterung. Dann springt beim zoomen dezoomify automatisch an mit einer roten Anzeige in der Leiste, auf die man dann klicken kann.

Früher habe ich mich hier orientiert, das ist aber wohl veraltet.

Manchmal kann man mit der url spielen, und oft geht das Runterladen bei FF mit Rechtsklick, wo bei Safari nichts geht. Das ist aber nach browserversion unterschiedlich. Meine Systeme sind gerade bisschen alt.

Help:Zoomable images

War aber toll, dass Du letztens die Werkstatt angesprochen hast, ich habe bei dem Helfer mal nachgefragt, der hatte ein tool zum stichen der Bildteile geschrieben. Viel Spass beim Basteln und sprich mich gerne an. --Oursana (talk) 11:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Danke dir. Funktioniert das auch auf der Website dieser Galerie? Gnom (talk) 11:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Nö, geht nur bei zoom Bildern, über FF habe ich es immerhin rauslösen können

https://assets.phillips.com/image/upload/t_Website_LotDetailMainImage/v1/auctions/NY040212/255_001.jpg

Das UrhR vergisst Du ja nicht..:)Oursana (talk) 12:02, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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Category:Fantin-Latour,_Henri_-_A_Studio_at_Batignolles

Category:Fantin-Latour,_Henri_-_A_Studio_at_Batignolles has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Josh (talk) 23:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Erklärung zu Löschung

Guten Tag Oursana, ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn du mir folgenden Sachverhalt erläutern könntest: Das Bild: File:Rogier van der Weyden The Altar of Our Lady Miraflores Altar Google Art Project.jpg wurde von dir zur Löschung beantragt. (Siehe auch meine Disk-Seite). Ich möchte gerne verstehen, warum. Könntest du mir auch den Link der offiziellen Erläuterung hierzu zuschicken, den finde ich nirgendwo. LG Upti (talk) 13:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Schön Upti, dass Du hier zur Kunst mitmachst, wir haben uns ja schon bei CDF gesehen.

Ich fang mal kurz mit dem alten bärtigen Mann von Baldung an. Bei Kunstwerken bitte beim Hochladen 2D, Template:Artwork/doc, bei 3D tl:art photo verwenden. Das wichtigste geht von Hand oder copy &. Der Satz, den ich unter credit line gesetzt habe, kann aber entfallen? oder was war da?

Miraflores

klickst Du auf den Rotlink und auf Deiner Disk wird der Löschgrund der Urheberrechtsverletzung angegeben, weil auf commons nur Reproduktionssfotos Dritter bei gemeinfreien 2D Kunstwerken, d.h. ohne Rahmen, hochgeladen werden dürfen, weil je nach persönlicher Leistung des Fotografen Fotoreproduktionen von dreidimensionalen Vorlagen dem Schutz als Lichtbildwerk nach § 2 UrhG unterliegen können. Die Verwendung von Reproduktionsfotos Dritter war lange umstritten und ist seit Juni 2021 entsprechend Art. 14 der EU DSM-Richtlinie in UrhG ermöglicht, Bildrechte#2021 – Anpassung an EU-Richtlinie 2019/790, Bildrechte#Reproduktionen, s. PD-art-tag der Lizenbestimmung zB oben beim Bärtigen: Dies ist eine originalgetreue fotografische Reproduktion eines zweidimensionalen Kunstwerks. Ein Bild mit Rahmen wird hiervon nicht erfasst.

Dateinamen

Brauchst Du oben beim Bärtigen 150568001, wenn Du die Nummer hintanstellst, wird das Bild direkt richtig sortiert, denn der Dateiname bestimmt die Sortierung und wird leider von den wenigsten entsprechend ausgewählt. Deine Dateinamen für die Caspar David Friedrich Zeichnungen sind kryptisch und nutzlos, wäre sehr gut, wenn Du das künftig anders handhabst, mit Zeit hätte ich das geändert..

Soweit, lass es alles mal sacken. Du kannst auch gerne bei mir rückfragen. Wenn Du das Rechtliche oben nicht ganz verstehst, nicht wundern. Ich weiss nicht wieviel Du wissen willst. LG Oursana (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Guten Tag Oursana, der Löschgrund war leider nicht für mich verständlich auf meiner Disk dargestellt, z.B. Bilderrahmen wurde dort nicht erwähnt. Darum erneute Rückfragen meinerseits: Einige Beispiele, damit ich es verstehe: (Bild 1, Rahmen zu sehen): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2022_Max_Beckmann_Junge_M%C3%A4nner_am_Meer.jpg

(Bild 2, wenig vom Rahmen zu sehen): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Madonna_with_the_Iris.jpg (Bild 3, der Fotograf hat eine Lizenz 4,0 vergeben, das würde reichen?) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PM_151959_B_Leuven.jpg (Bild 4) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tetschener_Altar_2023-01-07_1.jpg wie sind diese Bilder dann einzuordnen? Upti (talk) 14:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

erstmal nur zu Bild 1: es geht um die Zulässigkeit von Benutzung von Fotos Dritter, wann schliesst das Urheberrecht die Benutzung von Fotos Dritter aus. Du hattest ein fremdes Foto hochgeladen, Bild 1 ist ein eigenes hochgeladenes Foto (eines gemeinfreien Kunstwerkes - das ist sowieso Voraussetzung). Wenn ich mein eigenes Foto hochlade, bin ich aus dem Thema Urheberrechte des Fotografen beachten raus, gucks Dir noch mal an, soweit solltest Du folgen können. Bild 1 ist ein komplett anderer Fall

Und wie schon oben ausgeführt war die Lizenz ausdrücklich für Dies ist eine originalgetreue fotografische Reproduktion eines zweidimensionalen Kunstwerks, und das war es klar nicht. Oursana (talk) 12:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Paintings in the Gemäldegalerie, Berlin

Paintings in the Gemäldegalerie, Berlin has been nominated for deletion at Commons:Deletion requests/Paintings in the Gemäldegalerie, Berlin This is a deletion request for the community to discuss whether the nominated page should be kept or deleted. Please voice your opinion in the linked request above. Thank you very much! If you created this gallery, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Mateus2019 (talk) 11:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Duplicates

Oursana, When you mark a file as a duplicate, could you please mention this in the edit summary so that other users know what's going on. Thank you! LG, Vincent Steenberg (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes I'll try to remember--Oursana (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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Wanderer

Hallo, was hat es mit der Kategorie-Namensänderung zu Category:Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer von Caspar David Friedrich auf sich? Kategorienamen sind hier üblicherweise englischsprachig (siehe Commons:Categories/de#Kategoriebezeichnungen), dementsprechend würde sich die Bezeichnungen des englischen Wikipediaartikels en:Wanderer above the Sea of Fog eignen. Selbst wenn man den deutschen Namen des Bildes wählt, passt kein deutsches "von" in den Kategorienamen, dann ginge das besser mit Klammer wie bei ein paar anderen Bilderkategorien: (Friedrich), sofern dieser Zusatz überhaupt nötig ist. Denn Category:Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer ist ebenso unbelegt wie Category:Wanderer above the Sea of Fog. Der deutsche Wikipediaartikel lautet de:Der Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer mit Artikel. Ist das falsch? Dann solltest du das zunächst in der deutschen Wikipedia ansprechen. Die Category:Der Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer, die du hast löschen lassen, ist noch von anderen Projekten verlinkt. Hier wäre statt Löschung also eine Kategorieweiterleitung angebracht. Eine Namensänderung per Kategorieverschiebung hätte ich besser gefunden, damit die Versionsgeschichte erhalten bleibt. Gruß, Sitacuisses (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

2016 habe ich Category:Der Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer angelegt, jetzt ging es mir um den Malerzusatz und von ist besser als by, ich habe aber nichts gegen einen Klammerzusatz aber besser Caspar David Friedrich. Ein Malerzusatz auf commons ist Standard umd immer nötig. Kann ja auch jeder Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer sein. Wahrscheinlich ist das meine einzige commonscat in Deutsch und seit 2016 vertretbar. Die französischen Kollegen machen das zu meinem Ärger nahezu zu 90%. Der Titel mit und ohne Artikel wird von der ausstellenden Hamburger Kunsthalle wie belegt verwendet. Die neue Kategorie habe ich auf wikidata verändert. Welche commonscat verlinkungen gibt es? Hier ist wegen Internationalisierung immer wikidata vorzuziehen zB auf commons gallery Seiten. Ich verändere cats immer so und sehe auch keine "Verschiebungen" bei anderen. Oursana (talk) 13:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Angesichts von 43 Interwikilinks zu dem Gemälde finde ich es nicht angemessen, abweichend von den Regeln hier auf einen durchgängig deutschsprachigen Titel zu verschieben. Ich habe nichts dagegen, den Maler ins Lemma aufzunehmen, aber ein "von" finde ich nicht in anderen Kategorien, es ist nicht besser als "by", sondern ein Regelbruch. Bei den Friedrich-Bildern gibt es bisher kein einheitliches Namensschema, siehe Category:Paintings by Caspar David Friedrich by title. Über Category:Paintings by title by artist findet man weitere Beispiele, oft mit "by", manchmal mit "(Nachname)", manchmal "(Vorname Nachname), oft mit komplett englischsprachigen Bezeichnungen auch bei nicht englischsprachigen Künstlern. Wenn man die "Verschieben"-Funktion über einer Kategorie benutzt, sollte der Link bei Wikidata automatisch angepasst werden. Wie das mit Commons-Weblinks in den 43 Sprachversionen ist, weiß ich nicht, den in der de.wp hast du ja inzwischen schon einmal angepasst. Die aktuelle Version des Kategorielemmas ist jedoch keine wirkliche Verbesserung. --Sitacuisses (talk) 17:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Wegen der Namenshinzufügung finde ich es eine deutliche Verbesserung, die Kategorie war vorher auch deutsch seit 2016 von mir erstellt (Wiederholung) insofern verstehe ich die Aufregung nicht. Kategorien eines Kunstwerkes ohne Urheberangaben sollen nicht sein und sind es deshalb ganz überwiegend. Insofern war diese Kategorie eine schlechte seltene Ausnahme.Die Kombi by mit deutschem Titel geht nicht. Danke für Hinweis auf die Verschiebefunktion, die ich gelegentlich ausprobieren werde. Im Moment bin ich sehr beschäftigt für den Fall, dass ich nicht antworte.Oursana (talk) 18:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Du denkst nur aus deiner deutschsprachigen Perspektive und beachtest nicht, dass Commons ein Gemeinschaftsprojekt u. a. für die Nutzer der genannten 43 anderen Sprachen ist. Was sollen die mit dem deutschen Wort "von" anfangen? Die können nicht einmal erkennen, dass es nicht zum Bildtitel gehört. --Sitacuisses (talk) 18:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Jetzt unter Category:Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (Caspar David Friedrich). --Sitacuisses (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Danke, freut mich sehr, dass wir beide gut damit leben können. Deutscher Titel mit Klammerzusatz ist perfekt, mache ich in Englisch o Französisch sonst auch und wusste nicht, dass ich soviel lostrete. Oursana (talk) 20:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

galleries

Dear friend, I am sorry I had to revet your edits, but I find these old, un-updated galleries so annoying and useless. Often I visit Commons from Wikipedia articles, and the link brings me to these useless galleries, that were almost never updates in the last 15 year, while the category has widely improved since, it has lots of quality files, and listed with sub-categories they are so easy to navigate. I am ok with galleries that show extensively and argument, helping to navigate, but when it is just a random 2006 selection of the few files available at that time, not sorted, not ordinated, I really this it is much more usefull a redirect instead. Don'y you think? So unless you are creating such quality galleries, I really please you to help me get rid of the trash-gallery ones. Thank you for your help and consideration. Francesco Sailko (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Francesco, I am very sorry, but I do not agree. You are invited to add files. And you know, that your beheaviour is not conform on commons. You may not simply delete. You have to do a DR, which will not suceed. As for Lucca della Robbia, it is also other editors work, so you have no right to delete without discussion. This is vandalism and you know this. The galleries you reverted today "never updates in the last 15 year" almost never updates is pure nonsense here and false argument. So I hope you consider your doing. I will revert and ask for help by admins. By this you prevent galleries which are necessary and take time. This is a project to work together, not the way you do. You can imagine that there are also many things from your work that annoy other people, also me. I ask you for more tolerance. This is a hobby and if it gets unfriendly, I have to stop. I try to see your point, but I have no time to work specially on a gallery, this is done by regular improvements, this is within the scope of the project.--Oursana (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Paintings in the Uffizi Gallery - Room 7, Lippi's

Paintings in the Uffizi Gallery - Room 7, Lippi's has been nominated for deletion at Commons:Deletion requests/Paintings in the Uffizi Gallery - Room 7, Lippi's This is a deletion request for the community to discuss whether the nominated page should be kept or deleted. Please voice your opinion in the linked request above. Thank you very much! If you created this gallery, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

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Gothaer Liebespaar

Hi Oursana, what is this edit for https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AGothaer_Liebespaar.jpg&diff=926768482&oldid=809290056 ? --Arnd 🇺🇦 (talk) 16:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aschroet, standard for art categories is to include the artist's name, beside that categies should be in Engish, Commons:Categories#Category names. Further I think most Categories for only 1 painting are not helpful. Here an own category for only 3 files of one painting did not show the item. Now it is better to have it with the most paintings (8 files) in Paintings by the Master of the Housebook--Oursana (talk) 19:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Oursana, agreed with the English name. What i don't agree is to not create a category to save disk space (or for whatever reason) if a category would only contain one (or a few) files. A category gives the advantage to directly link to WD. So a user who uploads new files can easily add the painting category instead of copy all the describing category again and again. And it is much more logical to have the describing categories at the painting category because they describe the painting as an abstract concept and not the photo which just depicts a painting. Btw, the same holds for person categories, building categories etc. When you argue from the point of the user-/webinterface which may look nicer without many subcategories you must see that the main purpose of categories is to structure the files and give additional information. Only a few people like us really browse through it. --Arnd 🇺🇦 (talk) 08:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Category:Wooden_statues_by_Donatello_in_Italy

Wooden statues by Donatello in Italy has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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Category:Paintings in the Kunstmuseum Winterthur Reinhart am Stadtgarten by artist

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Prototyperspective (talk) 10:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Category shenanigans

Hi Oursana, instead of reinstating a gazillion categories (Special:Diff/941162086, Special:Diff/941180888, Special:Diff/941270500, Special:Diff/941746669 and more) because of not conforming to category naming rules, would it not have been simpler to just rename the category more appropriately? There are multiple files depicting 'The Castle of Batavia' (Q17319667) and 'Batavia Castle seen from West Kali Besar with fish market on the foreground.' (Q112731023), so I think the files should have their own category, no? --HyperGaruda (talk) 08:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Category:Three_Wise_Men_in_art

Three Wise Men in art has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

MenkinAlRire (talk) 16:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Argonaut-related paintings

Hello, Oursana. I saw that you reverted some changes I made, and asked for deletion of Category:Scenes from the Story of the Argonauts MET 09.136.1. The files indicate that "Scenes from the Story of the Argonauts" is the title of the painting, and the museum's web page also give it as the title. That's why I created the category. I'd be interested in why you think it isn't the title.

However, if we shouldn't be using tha title, you probably want to follow up with these items:

• Remove "Scenes from the Story of the Argonauts" from the title field of the files, and maybe put it in the description if it is a good description
• Clean up the Wikidata item, d:Q20167108: remove the images, and maybe even ask for the item to be deleted.
• Remove that Wikidata item from the files.

Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ABiagio_d%27Antonio_-_Scene_della_storia_degli_Argonauti.jpg&diff=978237672&oldid=869459926 Oursana (talk) 23:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Please explain

Hello, Oursana. I noticed that you emptied Category:Friedrich III (1463–1525), the Wise, Elector of Saxony (MET 46.179.1) and asked for speedy deletion. Would you please explain why you did this? As far as I can tell, there were several files in the category. If there is a problem with the name (as implied by the note "incorrect cat naming without artist's name|moved to supercats" on the speedy request), it can be renamed. For now, I am going to contest the speedy request by removing the request from the category, even though it is currently empty. -- Auntof6 (talk) 14:53, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Please don't put the speedy request back on the category. If you want it deleted, please do a regular deletion. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

no, because You must use the speedy request for empty categories, I do this for years and you are the first changing it against the rules. Please consider the rulesOursana (talk) 15:01, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Then my question is, why did you empty the category? I will repopulate it if you insist, but I thought I could wait until I heard back from you. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

You seem not to consider standard category naming which in the arts consists of the artist's name to give necessary information and to be disambigious. For years I am looking after this and get support from adminsOursana (talk) 15:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

If there is a problem with the category name, it can be renamed. However, you just depopulated it instead. If you tell me the name it should be, I can move the category to that name. To me, that's a better solution than eliminating the category. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

My suggestion could be Friedrich III (1463–1525), the Wise, Elector of Saxony by Lucas Cranach (I) (MET 46.179.1) or {c|Friedrich III (1463–1525), the Wise, Elector of Saxony by Lucas Cranach (I) Metropolitan Museum}}

Second thing is that I do not think that categories for every painting are useful. There are here about 40 similar versions which are better in one category to keep a good overview. I would apreciate if you could consider this. And I thank you for your solutionOursana (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I remember you saying before that you don't think it's good to have a category for every painting. I see your point, but I disagree with it. I think it's helpful because you don't have to individually categorize every file that goes in the category. If all images of a painting (or anything else for that matter) aren't together in a category, then they end up not categorized the same and people can't find them all. Do you know of any policy or guideline about this? --Auntof6 (talk) 15:22, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

File:Verrocchio, Andrea del - A Heroine of Antiquity (Olympias or Cleopatra).jpg

Hello, Oursana. This change you made added a parameter that the template doesn't recognize. It puts the file in Category:Pages using Artwork template with incorrect parameter. Can you take a look at it and see if it should be a different parameter, or if some other fix is needed? Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Auntof6, I repaired it--Oursana (talk) 11:11, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Category:Life and legends of Benedict of Nurcia in Klosterkirche Banz

Hallo Oursana, Du hast meine Kategorie fälschlich den Painting cycles of Saint Benedict of Nursia zugeordnet. Das sind aber keine paintings, sondern Einlegearbeiten, also Intarsien. Würdest du bitte Deine Zuordnung wieder ändern? Mit Gruß --Hermetiker (talk) 01:57, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Hallo Hermetiker, entschuldige und danke, sie ist jetzt in meiner neuen Cycles of the life of Saint Benedict of Nursia, die ich extra für diese Fälle gemacht habe. Leider bin ich wohl hängen geblieben. Gruß--Oursana (talk) 02:04, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Herzlichen Dank für Deine schnelle Reaktion, noch dazu um diese nächtliche Zeit! Mit Gruß --Hermetiker (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Category:Kapitelsaal (Kloster Ottobeuren)

Hallo Oursana, ich hätte noch eine Frage an Dich zu dieser Kategorie. Sie enthält zur Hälfte zwar paintings, aber die andere Hälfte besteht aus Reliefs. Wäre sie da nicht auch besser in Category:Cycles of the life of Saint Benedict of Nursia aufgehoben? Wie siehst Du das? Mit Gruß --Hermetiker (talk) 01:48, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Stimmt, habe ich gemacht, danke für den Hinweis--Oursana (talk) 10:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Sortkey

The software automatically sort files by name, the fact that them could be sorted with a sortkey does not mean they should. Sorting files one by one following a personal criteria has no consensus, and ultimately is useless, as everyday thousands of files are uploaded. If some files in a category have a sortkey all new files would be sorted automatically after them (or before them) damaging the usability of categories and the accessibility of the files themseves. Normally if you want to separate some files in a same category you would create a subcategory. --Phyrexian ɸ 16:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:Albumen_prints_of_Germany_in_the_Rijksmuseum_Amsterdam

Albumen prints of Germany in the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Peli (talk) 12:19, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:Albumen_prints_in_the_Rijksmuseum_Amsterdam_by_country_of_origin

Albumen prints in the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam by country of origin has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Peli (talk) 12:25, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:19th-century_albumen_prints_in_the_Rijksmuseum_Amsterdam

19th-century albumen prints in the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Peli (talk) 12:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:19th-century_portrait_albumen_prints_in_the_Rijksmuseum_Amsterdam

19th-century portrait albumen prints in the Rijksmuseum Amsterdam has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Peli (talk) 12:36, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:Pendant portraits

Pendant portraits has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

Hello Oursana, please have a look there. -- W like wiki  ^{Please ping me! • Postive1 • Postive2}  18:14, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Duplicate argument after your repeated contribution

Hi, there is an institution argument appears twice again after your revert in the source of File:Nederlandse schepen op de rede van Texel; in het midden de 'Gouden Leeuw', het vlaggeschip van Cornelis Tromp Rijksmuseum SK-A-8.jpeg. Firstly without any, secondly with an {{Institution:Amsterdam Museum}} parameter. As it appears only one (the last one) from both, I can not see any reason for your second institution argument to the same Artwork template. Can you tell me a reason? -- ato (talk) 20:03, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, now I found it. Thanks for keeping after it--Oursana (talk) 20:37, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Wallraf

Hallo Oursana, da ich gerade diese Bearbeitung mit dem konkreten Raum im Wallraf sehe: das Wallraf schließt nächstes Jahr für längere Zeit für eine Gebäudesanierung. Lt. meinem Gespräch mit dem Pressesprecher vor kurzem ist davon auszugehen, dass danach die Dauerausstellung neu aufgebaut wird. Die Raumzuordnung wird sich wohl großteils ändern. Nur als Hinweis für dich, damit du beurteilen kannst, ob du jetzt noch Arbeit in die Räume stecken möchtest. Raymond (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Super, vielen Dank lieber Raymond für den Hinweis, Grüße--Oursana (talk) 15:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Wikidata

Hallo, ich habe gerade File:Maestro della Santa Cecilia - Madonna and Child enthroned with six Angels - Uffizi.jpeg mit Text und Quellen versorgt und habe versucht sie bei Wikidata einzubauen. Dafür bin ich definitiv zu doof zu. Vielleicht magst Du da etwas von einarbeiten. Das Bild werde ich gleich noch bearbeiten und irgendwann auch in en/de.WP nutzen. Gruß. MenkinAlRire (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

Frage zu "key for Category"

Hallo Oursana,

Kannst du mir sagen, was es mit diesem key auf sich hat, oder wo ich das nachlesen kann? Link Im Moment verstehe ich gar nicht, was das macht oder wofür das benötigt wird.

Danke und viele Grüße vom deinem Nachbarn aus Rahlstedt. An-d (talk) 07:29, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Hallo An-d, das ist ein sortkey=Sortierschlüssel, der die Files sortiert, in diesem Fall numerisch. Ohne ihn sortieren sie sich alphabetisch nach dem Filename, hier "Rostock", der kaum passend zur Sortierung gewählt wird. In diesem Fall will ich die files vom Gewölbe zusammenlassen und zwar am Anfang der Kategorie. Man kann auch mit dem template:Defaultsort files in allen Kategorien sortieren, wird bei Kuntwerken verwendet oder wenn nach Jahreszahl, Adresse oder Land sortiert werden soll. Wo und ob man das nachlesen kann, weiß ich leider nicht. Oursana (talk) 09:41, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Ah, ich verstehe, das ist also kein von mir versehentlich ignorierter Schlüssel, den ich irgendwo in einer Tabelle nachlesen könnte, sondern eine von dir frei gewählte Sortierhilfe um Ordnung in die Darstellung der Bilder in der Kategorie zu bekommen. Danke für die Erklärung! VG --An-d (talk) 09:55, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Jeg har sorteret dine fotos i f.eks. Category:Interior of Helligåndskirken (Hvide Sande) på lignende måde. Hjart (talk) 15:26, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Tak Hjart, nu forstår jeg det bedre.--An-d (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

I could give you many examples. But it is very easy. You can always ask me. I want to tell you that there are some users who oppose strictly against this and even refuse to discuss. But the majority accepts or likes it, I even get many thanks. So I'm very thankful for your interest and participation and just want to let you know that there could come rude reactions, so you are prepared. Some discussions you can read here. I prefer greater categories and not these 1 or 2 files minicats, where you don't see anything. And with bigger cats in my opinion sorting is very helpful to help out of the mess. Have a nice dayOursana (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Betreffend "Category:Black_and_white_photographs_of_Park_Sanssouci"

Hallo Oursana, Danke für die Anpassungen rund um Potsdam und Sanssouci! :)

Mir ist allerdings eine Sache aufgefallen, die ich lieber ändern würde: Du hast ja die Category Category:History of Park Sanssouci angelegt und Category:Black and white photographs of Park Sanssouci dort einsortiert. Die aktuellen Bilder in letzterer Cat passen vermutlich auch als historische Aufnahmen. Aber es gibt ja durchaus auch S/W Fotos aus z.B. den 2020er Jahren (als Stilmittel bei digitalen Fotos, oder eben analoger S/W Film), und neu einkategorisierte Bilder könnten dann leicht als "alt" oder historisch interpretiert werden, wenn sie es vielleicht garnicht sind, sondern einfach nur in S/W sind. Daher würde ich wohl eher "History of..." of "Black and white photographs of ..." im allgemeinen nicht vermischen, and auch in diesem Fall auch lieber Category:History of Park Sanssouci aus Category:Black and white photographs of Park Sanssouci entfernen. Oder was denkst du?

Beste Grüße, Nylki (talk) 07:22, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Habe ich gemacht, GrüßeOursana (talk) 07:50, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

thx! Nylki (talk) 07:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Category:Snow in Potsdam

Please note that snow is considered independent of winter. Snow is a year-round phenomenon, depending on the region. Even in Potsdam, snow is quite possible in autumn and spring. Lukas Beck (talk) 11:08, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

no, Snow in Potsdam, Germany is subclass of winter. Please start a cfd or discus it on category discs to get a broad acceptance. As you can notice from the photos concerned they are all taken in winter, 90 % of snow falls in winter so we should not make decisions and categories for exemptions but for general nature. Further argument: What is winter. I think we all understand winter not only in terms of 12 months/4 = dec-feb but generally about oct-nov until march. And perhaps we do not even get 7 or 10 days snow. As I have no time for this dicussion please discuss it as proposed above and do not be irritated when I will not answer again. Third notice to cats snow/winter. The other way around not all winter photos show snow and as they are extra cats for snow, for me it important to separate the snowy photos from the pure winter photos. 4th idea: we can name the winter cats to Winter half-years in Potsdam, or you could name the monthly terms expressively. In case you are not convinced, of ourse I propose that you move this discussion to the discs or cfd --Oursana (talk) 11:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Schnee ist gegenwärtig nicht unter Winter einsortiert, weder auf Bundesebene noch auf Länderebene. Wenn du also denkst, Schnee sollte Winter untergeordnet werden (im Zweifel also auch Bilder von hohen Bergkuppen im Juni), dann solltest du diese Änderung diskutieren, bevor du diese in den untersten Kategorie-Ebenen durchführst. Wenn du mich fragst, sind 10 % Abweichung viel. Und es kommt sehr häufig vor, dass wir Anfang Dezember oder sogar schon im November Schnee haben - in unserer Region zuletzt 2023. Lukas Beck (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Da springst Du zu kurz, alle Potsdam Fotos die ich angepackt habe, auch mal geschätzt 90% der Kategorie Potsdam im Winter waren tatsächlich Schnee Fotos und dieser Aspekt war nicht berücksichtigt. Also habe ich sie in "Snow in P" bewegt und dann alles wieder in winter, denn da kamen sie ja her und konnte nicht falsch sein, und mehr interessiert mich hier nicht, so spanned finde ich das Thema nicht. Und Dezember ist ja auf jedenfall Winter. Alle Potsdam Schneephotos sind von Dezember bis Januar, so what. over dtoOursana (talk) 12:13, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Dezember ist auf jeden Fall Winter Welche Grundlage nimmst du für diese Aussage? @XRay Das ist doch dein Thema :). Vielleicht mal ganz allgemein: Kategorien werden nicht ausschließlich für Bilder angelegt, welche bereits heute enthalten sind, sondern auch für Bilder, welche wir in Zukunft ergänzen können. Also soll die Kategorie auch dafür tauglich sein, dass November-Bilder mit Schnee künftig hierher sortiert werden können. Lukas Beck (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Wenn ihr meine Meinung nach hören wollt ... Aber ich habe keine Lust auf eine Diskussion. Die Phänomene sind unterschiedlicher Natur. Schnee als Wetterphänomen ist nicht dem Winter vorbehalten und damit kein Teil des Winters. Dezember (ab Winteranfang) ist nur auf der auf der Nordhalbkugel teilweise Winter, auf der Südhalbkugel (ab Sommeranfang) halt Sommer. Gut Potsdam liegt nur auf der Nordhalbkugel. Die Jahreszeiten hängen von der Erdachse zur Ekliptik ab - Frühlingsanfang beim Durchschreiten des Frühlingspunkts. Die Monate hängen von der Umlaufbahn ab, sind aber eher willkürlich festgelegt. Ergo: Jahreszeiten und Monate sind thematisch zu trennen. (Siehe auch die Diskussion im englischsprachigen Forum.) Phänologische, meteorologische und andere fachspezifische Jahreszeiten sind außerhalb der Betrachtung. In Commons verwischt das alles ein wenig dank einer ungenauen Kategorisierung zu Gunsten der Auffindbarkeit - allerdings finde ich das nicht gut, weil es zu ungenau ist. --XRay 💬 12:27, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Wenn auf vielen Winterbildern Schnee zu sehen ist, ist das kein Grund für die Zuordnung. Auf vielen Bildern sind auch kahle Bäume zu sehen und daher sind Schneebilder nicht unbedingt unter "Trees" zuzuordnen. Schräges Beispiel, gebe ich zu. --XRay 💬 12:31, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Danke für Deine cents.Immer wieder interessant wie wir unterschiedlich ticken. Ich habe die Bilder zu snow sortiert, da gehören sie auch hin, sonst braucht man diese cat nicht. Wenn Lukas die Sortierung der Snow cat aus Winter wieder raus nimmt, verstehe ich ein wenig was ihr meint. Aber nicht für diesen Fall, wiegesagt ich habe nur Bilder von Winter zu Schnee geschoben, das war mir wichtig und sonst bin ich raus und habe weder Zeit noch Lust auf Disk. Hauptsache die files bleiben im Schnee. ..Oursana (talk) 12:43, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Die entsprechenden Bilder können sowohl in die Schnee- als auch in die Winterkategorie einsortiert werden. Dann können Sie besser gefunden werden und es hat alles seine logische Richtigkeit :). Lukas Beck (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Klar, das wollte ich ausdrücklich nicht anfassen. Dann haben wir > 90% Überschneidung. Ich glaube, ich habe von 70 nur drei nicht angefasst weil Winter ohne Schnee. Man muss auch mal den User sehen und auch die Editoren. Alles wird mehr und gerne fast gedoppelt. Der volle Wahnsinn. Keiner weiß mehr was wo drin ist und was wohin soll. Das große Durcheinander totz vermeintlicher Begrifflichkeit. Nicht immer zu klein denken.Das ist eben keine oder schlechte Struktur. Die ist ja kein Selbstzweck. Dann lieber den Winter zeitl. und räumlich abgrenzen und nicht doppeln. Kategorien mit zu hohen Überschneidungen sind begrifflich unbedingt zu vermeiden und nicht zielführend. Die meisten unsortierten Kategorien sind Müll. hM auf commons und auch meineOursana (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Nun ich sehe es anders. Durcheinander entsteht, wenn die unterschiedlichsten Kategorie (Jahreszeiten, Monate, Wetterphänomene) zusammengewürfelt werden. Wikimedia mangelt es nicht an Speicherkapazität. Wenn ein Bild schön sauber in drei Kategorien eingeteilt wird, schadet das nicht. Lukas Beck (talk) 12:58, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Das Problem sind nicht 3 Kats f 1 Bild, sondern wenn diese 3 Kategorien fast vollständige Überschneidungen haben, dann sind sie nicht exakt gefasst. Ich kann doch unterschiedliche Phänomene kombinieren wenn ich sie benenne. Wir lassen das jetzt bitteOursana (talk) 13:03, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Wir können die Debatte gerne dabei belassen. Wobei ich hoffe, du verstehst das Problem. Lukas Beck (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

1. finde ich das ein Problemchen und man könnte und müsste es anders lösen. Ich habe nicht bemerkt, dass Du Dich auch mal auf meine Stuhl gesetzt hast. ich könnte diesen Satz genauso schreiben und dann. Immerhin sind wir ja sachlich und hören doch zu, das ist ja schon mal eine Erfolg.Oursana (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Category:'t Lust-Hof van Momus and similar cases

You created Category:'t Lust-Hof van Momus (Abraham and Carel Allard) to replaceCategory:'t Lust-Hof van Momus, moved the content, then asked for Category:'t Lust-Hof van Momus (Abraham and Carel Allard) to be deleted. Doing things that way loses the history of the original category, so please do not do that. Instead, move the category so that the history is kept. If you aren't able to move it yourself, you can have it moved by adding a request to User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands/Category moves. This is the second time recently that I have mentioned this. If you have any questions or concerns about it, please ask. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:30, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Renaming categories

Hi, Oursana. Category:Tomb of Giovanni Pecci is another case where you created a new category instead of moving the existing one. Please stop doing this because we lose the edit history. This is not the first time I have brought this up. I think the most recent time was on 26 November, although that post has been removed. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:15, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Just to make it clear, different from WP there is no protective copyright on the history of that pages. Therefore you are the only one with this idea. For years I had categories deleted with tl. bad name, without any experienced Admin botheringOursana (talk) 19:37, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

I don't believe I am the only person with this idea. The policy at Commons:Rename a category describes the process as a move, not as creating a new category with the new name. Please use that process instead of creating new categories. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:38, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Sortierung von Kategorien

Ich weiß, Du sortierst gern Kategorien, aber kannst Du mir Deine Hintergedanken hier erklären? Und wie soll jemand, der hier eine neue Aufnahme einstellt erkennen, dass dies eine sortierte Kategorie ist, geschweige denn, seine Aufnahme an der richtigen Stelle einordnen? Wuselig (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Ich habe von Sebastian nur 1 foto größenmäßig umsortiert und drei fotos von mir dazugemacht. Ich muss dann aber allen so wie sie waren, eine Nummer geben, sonst komme ich nicht dazwischen. Ziel war Sebastians Reihe beizubehalten und so ist es auch. Ansonsten hätten die sich nach Titeln sortiert, das versteht auch keiner und bringt keinen weiter. Ziel ist kein Fotowirrwarr, so wie man es zuhause in seinem Fotoalbum auch machen würde. Also die Fotos zusammenhängend, alle nach rechts zusammen, alle nach vorn zusammen.. Meistens gehe ich gedanklich um das Objekt. Sebastian hat hier mit dem Titel sortiert, diesen allgemeinen wollte ich aber nicht übernehmen. Also Ziel war hier meine 3 passend einzusortieren

Hast Du eigentlich schon alle fotos hochgeladen? Morgen entleihe ich den Katalog.--Oursana (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Category:Paintings by Paul Klee by decade

Hi, IMO this category and its subcategories are useless. There are potentially 10,000 paintings by Paul Klee, all in the public domain now. It is much more useful to have categories by year. Regards, Yann (talk) 20:03, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

IMHO at the moment in contrary cats by year are useless. A category system is a sorting system, that means only as many cats as necessary otherwise the aim of sorting is useless. The three cats by decade which I created have appropriate size, while your 18 cats by year have not. They are unnecessary miniature cats which often containing only 1 file, an absurdum for a category system. Perhaps I underestimate the number of files in future, how do you count 10000?. Users searching for a painting have to open only three cats, otherwise they have to open 18 cats with only 1 file i many cases, which is very annoying. Hopefully you can see that there is also this approach to creating cats. Regards, --Oursana (talk) 20:23, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

File:Modersohn-Becker, Paula - Liegender weiblicher Akt -Sothebys.webp

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Round 1 of Picture of the Year 2025 voting is open!

2024 Picture of the Year:Mundari man polishing the horns of one of his Watusi cows using a mixture of cow urine and ash as a ritualistic and protective practice in a temporary cattle camp in Terekeka, South Sudan.

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Useless categorisation

About this, can you please explain what is wrong? How many tombs of mgr Triest are there? - Carolus (talk) 20:04, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

For artworks it is common praxis to use the artist's name in the category, so that users who do not know the artwork can recognize the artist immediately. So these 2 words are not useless but very helpful --Oursana (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

No, it is NOT! I notice that there are currently many complaints about your headstrong way of working. This approach is not helpful and seems to be disrupting the project. I therefore ask you not to modify any categories without prior consultation. On Wiki-NL, there is also the rule: “when in doubt, do not proceed.” It is noticeable that you repeatedly ignore this guideline. thank you. Carolus (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Besides, like Mentioned ABOVE (I hope you read the remarks) We have lost AGAIN, the whole history of this Cat. Because you did not follow correct procedure. You have been warned before, right? Carolus (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Syntaxfehler

Bitte korrigiere die von dir verursachten Syntaxfehler: incategory:Pages_using_Information_template_with_incorrect_parameter Oursana --Leyo 18:21, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

erledigt--Oursana (talk) 20:51, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

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WLM-app takes a walk on the wild side!

Hello Oursana.

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Sorting of Monet cats by Wildenstein Nr

@Wuselig: , @Raymond: : User:Zen 38 sortiert seit letztem Jahr Monet files in allen Monet Kategorien nach Wildenstein Nr, zB Paintings by Claude Monet in Impressionismus. Die Sammlung Hasso Plattner. Was sagt Ihr dazu? ME ist das zB bei v Gogh nicht so. Oursana (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Hallo Oursana, da habe ich gar keine Meinung zu. Ich muss gestehen, ich weiß auch nicht, was eine Wildenstein-Nummer ist. Ist mir in Kölner Museen noch nicht untergekommen. Raymond (talk) 15:13, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Schade und danke für die schnelle Antwort. Wildensteins waren Galeristen für Impressionisten und haben insbesondere Monets Werkverzeichnis heraugegeben. Ihr Institut wird von HPI Hasso Plattner Institut fortgeführt. Also ich beanstande die Sortierung nach Werkverzeichnisnummer.--Oursana (talk) 15:18, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Ich halte von jeglicher Sortierung innerhalb von Kategorien gar nichts. Das funktioniert im Moment der Sortierung und sobald jemand, der von dieser Sortierung nichts weiß und eine neue Datei in die Kategorie einsortiert, oder mit Cat-a-lot den Sort Key zerschießt nicht mehr. Für solche kuratierten Sortierungen haben wir Galerien. Wuselig (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Danke. Deine Antwort überrascht mich nicht. Ich finde sie nicht haltbar, die Sortierung soll auf jeden Fall dazu dienen gleiche Bilder zusammenzuhalten. Sei Dir aber bewusst, dass auf jeden Fall sortiert wird und zwar nach Filename. Das ist meist die schlechteste Lösung. Im og Beispiel würden wir ohne Sortierung Museum Barberini eher verschrecken--Oursana (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Hallo Freunde . Entschuldigung, mein Deutsch ist zur zeit so schlecht! Enlish would be easier. Do you find this sorting by wildenstein number useles? it is anyway for me better than no sorting within cats, or sorting by year, because dating of Monet creation is sometimes a bit uncertain. Similarly I would be happy to hear from you about cration of cats per painting. What is the rule? A cat can be created whenver there are 4 similar pics of same painting. Useless? And what is the rule for category naming? english or original title name, ie French ? --Zen 38 (talk) 08:57, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

I am a friend of cleaning up categories with multiple versions of the same subject by putting these images into own categories. This has a new disadvantage that we thereby reduce the visibility of these paintings. And also the sorting will than be by the categories names.

@Oursana and I love to disagree at times and still we can cooperate well at other times. Have a look at Category:Unicorn exhibition 2025/26 and the corresponding gallery Unicorn: The Mythical Beast in Art. And Oursana have you seen the impunity of somebody creating a new category for the exhibition as it moved to Paris: Category:Licornes !. What do you think Oursana, will we end up with multiple Wikidata Items? Not just wikidata:Q137039444, but one for each exhibition and one for each catalogue edition?

As for language conventions, I am no friend of anglicization at all means. I prefer the language of origin, in case of artwork that is mostly the current locationof a work. If it is relevant enough it will have a Wikidata entry, and this helps with internationalization and also with the many aliases we encounter with artworks. Wuselig (talk) 11:06, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

@Zen 38: , @Wuselig: : commons:Categories#Category names:Naming convention is English. There are no rules for category sizes. With Wuselig and me you just meet friends of opposite opinions, whereas Wuselig very often creates cats for only 1 file. Please do not follow.

As for sorting, sorry, for me sorting by inventory number is useless, and I am completely with you, that sorting after year is useless, I prefer sorting „Monet, Claude; title", which of course some problems with the title. And I agree completely with you and oppose Wuselig: no sorting in big cats in the arts is a no go - Wuseligs solution are minicats. But one has to realize that there is no no sorting, because than sorting is by arbitrary filenames. The very best is the perfect filename. We never sort by inventory number beside catalog, not with van Gogh, not with Piet Mondrian. And as we have all the Wildenstein cats, we do not need more sorting after inventory number. Zen38, if we cannot get an agreement we have to discuss it on a greater scale within commonsOursana (talk) 10:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

As mentioned in German above, I don't believe that sorting within categories makes any sense at all. One user like @Oursana might have a pretty good plan and start sorting at a specific point in time. but any uploader without knowledge of this sorting algorithm will just upload regardless and bomb the system. Using cat-a-lot to break up categories that have become to large will also break the system. As long as the initiator of such a system is alive and active they may try to save and repair what's possible, but without curation the endeavor will be fruitless.

I consider lists and galleries as the best way to systematically display orders. With one single good image. But where to put all the images we have accumulated of a single item? We can put them into ever narrower categories. By the way, if I create one-item categories it is usually in preparation for future additions. Additions already on my hard-drive. I prepare their uploads by searching for possible Wikidataentries for the artwork, and of course previous uploads. And if there are any, I create a category into which I can place my upload. So you get a category for the special exhibition: Category:Pekka Halonen. An Ode to Finland. You get a Category:Paintings by Pekka Halonen by title, and these namecategories, like Category:After the Music Lesson (Pekka Halonen) will hopefully be linked to a Wikidata entry like Q139556167. And in the Reasonator Display to the special exhibition you will find all paintings with a WD-item in the exhibition history. Thats how I like to curate my uploads. Wuselig (talk) 22:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

@Zen 38: There was an answer of yours, which I cannot find back, will you please copy that here. There are no rules about the sorting, one can discuss and decide on the category discussion. Now there seems to be that arbitrary numbers are not welcome. So I would prefer sorting by name and title to Wildenstein inventory number. At least there must be transparency. And as I said there are enough galleries with Wildenstein numbers. And users cannot trace back the files via Wildensteinnumber. Beside this is unusual and premier way of sortung. As we do not seem to agree I will discuss it on the Commons talk:Categories.Oursana (talk) 16:08, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

Sorting

Hi :-) I saw edits like this, and I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Numbering the pictures in a category basing on what? And if someone adds another picture in the category that must be sorted as well, maybe in place of another existing, needing a shift of all the others? I think it's arbitrary and a waste of time. And from I can read in this page, I'm not the only one not agreeing with this scheme, so maybe you should reconsider it. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 21:12, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

Hi, did you read my message? :-) --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 07:32, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

It is not very nice to be ignored. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 06:00, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

I don't understand your behaviour. I expressed my doubts about your edits, and you keep doing them without even considering me. I did not expect that. Are you really in a collaborative project? --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 06:50, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

I opened a RFC here -> Commons_talk:Categories#Sorting_by_arbitrary_number. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Announcing the Winners of Picture of the Year 2025!

Hi everyone,

Wikimedia Commons is pleased to finally announce the winners of this year's Picture of the Year 2025 contest! We had some truly incredible finalists to choose from, but the community has spoken.

Here are your top three winning images:

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  First place: The aftermath of an Israeli airstrike in Gaza City on October 9, 2023, leaving widespread destruction in the Rimal area.
  Attribution: WAFA (Q2915969) / CC-BY-SA 3.0
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  Second place: Baby cape fur seal (Arctocephalus pusillus) sleeping at Cape cross, Namibia.
  Attribution: Giles Laurent / CC-BY-SA 4.0
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  Third place: A gigantic jet photographed from the International Space Station by astronaut Nichole Ayers.
  Attribution: public domain

You can view the full results and see where all your favorite images placed here: Full 2025 Results

I also want to highlight what an incredible turnout we had. In the second round, we saw a massive jump in both the number of users voting and the total votes cast. We had exactly 13,979 votes cast by 3,509 users! To put that in perspective, last year we had 7,403 votes from 2,837 users. It is amazing to see that level of growth and community engagement.

Thank you to everyone who voted, helped organize, and generally made the contest such a huge success this year!

Regards,
ZI Jony
For the POTY Committee 20:07, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

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  — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:27, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

Nymph at the Source

Hi, the image I uploaded from Joconde is of the painting after a recent restoration. The images on the museum website and the Cranach Archive are both prior to this restoration which was done recently by the French company Arcanes https://arcanes.eu/fr/oeuvres/la-nymphe-a-la-source/ Thanks Surajr7 (talk) 00:17, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, I reverted, but please be more careful wrong Qnumber for Besancon and wrong cat for Barbari, seems you work too quicklyOursana (talk) 00:34, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Water Lilies by Claude Monet

@Wuselig: , @Raymond: Katastrophe, das kann man doch unter vielen Aspekten nicht gut nicht gut finden Oursana (talk) 10:28, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Meinst Du jetzt die noch unkategorisierten Einzelbilder? Um Ordnung in den Seerosenteich zu bringen würde ich mir eine Galerie mit dem jeweils besten Einzelbild wünschen, sortiert nach Wildensteinnummer und einem Link zur jeweiligen Werkkategorie. Das kann man einmal anlegen und läuft nicht Gefahr durcheinandergebracht zu werden, wenn der/die entsprechende Kurator/in mal nicht mehr kann, oder will. --Wuselig (talk) 14:02, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Ich sehe das wie @Wuselig. Eine Commons-Kategorie dauerhaft nach einem bestimmten Schema zu sortieren ist fast unmöglich. Zudem gehören alle Dateien eines einzelnen Werkes in eigene Kategorien, damit sie auch mit Wikidata entsprechend verknüpft werden können. Raymond (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Aber so ist es ohne Galerie. Mit der Galerie sehe ich auch so und meine die wegsortierten. Jetzt sehe ich nur blaulinks. Wir brauchen eben nicht eine commons Kategoreie für jedes Werk. Das hat mit wikidata nichts zu tun.Danke für Eure Antworten--Oursana (talk) 19:11, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

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Stop

I thought that the community discussion was clear. Stop that kind of sorting, please. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 16:16, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

@Superchilum: Not that I disagree with you, but please be specific.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 21:26, 5 July 2026 (UTC)

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Wedding portraits of Johannes Cuspinian and Anna Putsch

Hello Oursana, I don't understand why you emptied the common category I made a year ago for these 2 paintings, commenting "incorrect cat name without artist's name". We can change the name to "Category:Wedding portraits of Dr. Johannes Cuspinian and Anna Putsch by Lucas Cranach I" if you want Cranach's name in it. Henxter (talk) 14:12, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes @Henxter: , if you really feel the need for this cat, we apreciate the artist's name, as you can see the subcats and normally the cats have, to realize the artist and an artwork when the cat is used in other contexts.--Oursana (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Copyright violations

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Again you are too late, besides without a link I will ignore and delete your outdated message

I feel haunted. since when is omission of license copyright violence, especially during only some minutes. AGF. Be sure that I know more about copyright than you.--Oursana (talk) 14:11, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

You wanted a link: here you go. Did you or did you not upload File:Biagio d'Antonio - Madonna adoring the Christchild with an Angel - MASP 00008 01.jpeg without a license tag?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:16, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

at 10:52 I made the upload and forgot license tagging

at 11:05 I repaired it

at 12:55 you made your outdated überflüssig aggressiv edit

beside - 13 minutes for the license - I made an extremely well prepared upload with all information including the source, by this everybody obviously beside you could see, that the file was under PD-art tag. --Oursana (talk) 19:05, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

It did not take you 13 minutes, it took you 78 minutes from 09:49 UTC until 11:07 UTC.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 23:21, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

Sorry you are right, but the main thing is that you spend your time unnecessarily almost 2 hours after repair. I close this discussion nowOursana (talk) 23:28, 20 July 2026 (UTC)